1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:02,389 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,170 triangle you know there's explanation 3 00:00:07,309 --> 00:00:05,370 for everything that occurred in the 4 00:00:09,799 --> 00:00:07,319 rendlesham forest incident that doesn't 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:09,809 involve aliens at all it was completely 6 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:12,450 silent it comes right over our heads 7 00:00:17,660 --> 00:00:16,049 it's so a classic flying-saucer really 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:17,670 standing in the clearing he turned over 9 00:00:20,689 --> 00:00:19,410 to my father and held his hand and he 10 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:20,699 looked in his eyes and said we're not 11 00:00:30,290 --> 00:00:27,390 alone welcome to Podcast UFO for our 12 00:00:32,510 --> 00:00:30,300 live show we're live every wednesday at 13 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:32,520 eight pm eastern standard time on the 14 00:00:36,790 --> 00:00:34,770 Dark Matter radio network please 15 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even 43 00:01:57,050 --> 00:01:54,810 if you lived and live in somewhere as 44 00:01:58,940 --> 00:01:57,060 long as you live on the planet i will 45 00:02:01,270 --> 00:01:58,950 send you a t-shirt if you live off 46 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:01,280 planet i have to think about it but 47 00:02:07,069 --> 00:02:04,710 that's it for right now and you can jump 48 00:02:09,830 --> 00:02:07,079 in the chat room at podcast UFO calm and 49 00:02:12,260 --> 00:02:09,840 ask our guest upcoming some questions 50 00:02:13,980 --> 00:02:12,270 for now we have the news with the one 51 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:13,990 the only Alejandra 52 00:02:20,310 --> 00:02:16,450 rojas what's going on there bud hey 53 00:02:23,850 --> 00:02:20,320 that's me that's yeah UFOs are what's 54 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:23,860 going on buddy that's good to hear is 55 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:27,970 there some activity there is some yeah 56 00:02:32,940 --> 00:02:29,920 cuz if there wasn't then I would be like 57 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:32,950 I've got known to say yeah yeah and out 58 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:35,170 of a job but luckily there is something 59 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:37,000 to say so yeah the first story I want to 60 00:02:42,780 --> 00:02:39,010 talk about is kind of neat it's this 61 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:42,790 lady who's a hotel clerk at this resort 62 00:02:49,860 --> 00:02:45,930 at the first in Hawaii and vilano beach 63 00:02:52,620 --> 00:02:49,870 I'm sorry Florida I don't know I said 64 00:02:56,070 --> 00:02:52,630 Hawaii but she works at the ocean Sands 65 00:02:59,100 --> 00:02:56,080 beach in beautiful place oh my gosh the 66 00:03:01,560 --> 00:02:59,110 pictures here it's blue it's at the 67 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:01,570 beaches just look wonderful I want to be 68 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:04,330 there so bad it's making me really want 69 00:03:11,820 --> 00:03:09,610 to kind of take off but she gets UFO 70 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:11,830 reports from her guests so I guess she 71 00:03:16,620 --> 00:03:14,290 feels that there are a lot of UFOs being 72 00:03:18,690 --> 00:03:16,630 seen out there and she spoke with the 73 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:18,700 news first coast news and they did this 74 00:03:23,790 --> 00:03:21,370 new segment on her and we've got this 75 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:23,800 video of it posted on the site so it's 76 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:25,510 kind of neat she even provided them with 77 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:28,510 some video that guests have provided her 78 00:03:33,090 --> 00:03:30,370 and most of the guests don't want to 79 00:03:35,700 --> 00:03:33,100 really go on record as saying that they 80 00:03:38,790 --> 00:03:35,710 have seen UFOs but she says often they 81 00:03:43,730 --> 00:03:38,800 see lots light hovering overhead and 82 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:43,740 people get frightened she said in 83 00:03:49,350 --> 00:03:46,510 December some people called and said 84 00:03:51,660 --> 00:03:49,360 they had seen some lights coming in they 85 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:51,670 said that one looked acted like it was 86 00:03:59,130 --> 00:03:55,650 distressed and was going up and down 87 00:04:01,830 --> 00:03:59,140 while one hovered and then darted off so 88 00:04:02,820 --> 00:04:01,840 just really weird behavior some people 89 00:04:05,910 --> 00:04:02,830 have told her that they're probably 90 00:04:08,190 --> 00:04:05,920 Chinese lanterns but she says that you 91 00:04:10,290 --> 00:04:08,200 know they don't really act like Chinese 92 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:10,300 lantern to wood because it seemed to 93 00:04:14,970 --> 00:04:12,850 kind of be zipping and zooming and doing 94 00:04:17,250 --> 00:04:14,980 really weird stuff so it's a neat video 95 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:17,260 that was posted by our first coast news 96 00:04:22,260 --> 00:04:19,120 and we've got a little story on that 97 00:04:24,090 --> 00:04:22,270 Roger Marsh found this and posted it on 98 00:04:26,820 --> 00:04:24,100 our site so people got to check it out I 99 00:04:27,770 --> 00:04:26,830 wonder if they could be Chinese lanterns 100 00:04:31,950 --> 00:04:27,780 in distress 101 00:04:34,260 --> 00:04:31,960 you know it could be yeah you know what 102 00:04:36,890 --> 00:04:34,270 happens when a Chinese and other Chinese 103 00:04:39,719 --> 00:04:36,900 lanterns coming to its aid perhaps 104 00:04:43,050 --> 00:04:39,729 absolutely no I'm wondering if anyone 105 00:04:45,469 --> 00:04:43,060 has checked like prosaic for most of the 106 00:04:50,010 --> 00:04:45,479 lights like for instance an airport 107 00:04:51,929 --> 00:04:50,020 within range a lot of times those you 108 00:04:54,179 --> 00:04:51,939 know those big bright lights look like 109 00:04:57,869 --> 00:04:54,189 they're hovering because they're you 110 00:05:00,059 --> 00:04:57,879 know right far away type of thing and I 111 00:05:02,610 --> 00:05:00,069 know like mine since I'm Long Island 112 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:02,620 there was people reporting you know UFOs 113 00:05:07,679 --> 00:05:05,650 and ended up being you know lights from 114 00:05:09,719 --> 00:05:07,689 those big headlights the airplanes have 115 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:09,729 when they're coming in for landing yeah 116 00:05:15,659 --> 00:05:11,650 yeah it's always possible there's 117 00:05:17,850 --> 00:05:15,669 military bases out there even NASA is 118 00:05:19,019 --> 00:05:17,860 not too far away from there so it's 119 00:05:20,999 --> 00:05:19,029 possible and I know what you mean 120 00:05:22,679 --> 00:05:21,009 because planes that happens out here a 121 00:05:25,559 --> 00:05:22,689 lot because we've got such a busy 122 00:05:27,809 --> 00:05:25,569 Airport and clear skies and when claims 123 00:05:29,489 --> 00:05:27,819 like turn you know you'll see their 124 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:29,499 headlights coming straight at you and 125 00:05:34,170 --> 00:05:31,930 then there there's another in another 126 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:34,180 direction so it looks like this bright 127 00:05:40,409 --> 00:05:36,370 light just came on and faded off when it 128 00:05:42,089 --> 00:05:40,419 really didn't happens a lot so she 129 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:42,099 wanders about that but she doesn't think 130 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:43,930 so she thinks something's checking out 131 00:05:48,570 --> 00:05:46,240 the area in fact her quote is there's 132 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:48,580 something out there besides the shrimp 133 00:05:54,869 --> 00:05:51,849 boats well maybe checking out Florida 134 00:05:56,999 --> 00:05:54,879 real estate or something yeah I mean why 135 00:05:59,040 --> 00:05:57,009 not at least and the pictures the area 136 00:06:01,320 --> 00:05:59,050 looks beautiful I want to check out some 137 00:06:03,570 --> 00:06:01,330 Florida real estate did you live in 138 00:06:05,909 --> 00:06:03,580 Florida never lived in Florida I've been 139 00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:05,919 there many many times stayed there you 140 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:08,080 know for a month one time in the winter 141 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:11,889 and you know if I had my choice between 142 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:13,360 Florida and California would be 143 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:15,370 California first except for the drought 144 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:18,370 but there are some places in Florida 145 00:06:24,420 --> 00:06:20,080 that are absolutely beautiful like 146 00:06:27,869 --> 00:06:24,430 Sanibel Island and down along the west 147 00:06:31,050 --> 00:06:27,879 coast just absolutely gorgeous all that 148 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:31,060 area Sarasota Naples you name it I've 149 00:06:34,589 --> 00:06:32,800 never been to Florida but I'd love to 150 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:34,599 check it out I've been to the Caribbean 151 00:06:40,510 --> 00:06:37,849 but and I love it out there so 152 00:06:43,119 --> 00:06:40,520 yeah it looks beautiful it is it is so 153 00:06:47,019 --> 00:06:43,129 what else is happening well going even 154 00:06:52,570 --> 00:06:47,029 further away a spat of UFO reports in 155 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:52,580 the I English town of newbury so this is 156 00:06:56,709 --> 00:06:54,649 kind of interesting so what happened is 157 00:07:01,320 --> 00:06:56,719 there's that there's a town near newbury 158 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:01,330 it's just what northwest of Newbury 159 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:05,449 called hungerford and a few days ago 160 00:07:11,489 --> 00:07:07,849 there was a report of a UFO and this 161 00:07:13,929 --> 00:07:11,499 lady posted this picture now the picture 162 00:07:15,969 --> 00:07:13,939 really looks like a point of light out 163 00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:15,979 of focus and I posted you know a video 164 00:07:21,489 --> 00:07:18,550 and a picture of Venus out of focus and 165 00:07:23,350 --> 00:07:21,499 to show that often people will get 166 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:23,360 pictures of Venus you know that looked 167 00:07:28,209 --> 00:07:26,330 like this but not to say that it isn't 168 00:07:29,739 --> 00:07:28,219 unusual just that it does look like that 169 00:07:32,290 --> 00:07:29,749 so we can't tell much from the video 170 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:32,300 itself but this got even more 171 00:07:36,669 --> 00:07:34,610 interesting she says that she sees it 172 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:36,679 often and it often moves kind of 173 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:39,289 strangely and then it disappears she 174 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:41,990 says she's even told neighbors one time 175 00:07:46,779 --> 00:07:44,209 she got her neighbors and that's where 176 00:07:48,790 --> 00:07:46,789 this photo I came from and knocked on 177 00:07:51,279 --> 00:07:48,800 the door and she's like look at that 178 00:07:53,619 --> 00:07:51,289 what the heck is that and they see this 179 00:07:58,659 --> 00:07:53,629 light up there it often reported as 180 00:08:01,959 --> 00:07:58,669 being flashing green and blue so the 181 00:08:04,449 --> 00:08:01,969 Newbury weekly news posted this story 182 00:08:06,579 --> 00:08:04,459 and they said they got a flurry of 183 00:08:09,939 --> 00:08:06,589 reports from people who said they've 184 00:08:14,679 --> 00:08:09,949 seen the same thing so people in the 185 00:08:17,169 --> 00:08:14,689 area from Newbury and other areas have 186 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:17,179 called in and they're all saying you 187 00:08:23,739 --> 00:08:20,409 know it's weird it's there so often it 188 00:08:26,290 --> 00:08:23,749 flashes it moves very strangely it's 189 00:08:28,239 --> 00:08:26,300 eerie and they've got like at least five 190 00:08:30,129 --> 00:08:28,249 reports that they've got here on their 191 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:30,139 site of other people thinking that this 192 00:08:35,949 --> 00:08:33,050 is something odd so it's really 193 00:08:38,429 --> 00:08:35,959 interesting in fact one person reported 194 00:08:40,689 --> 00:08:38,439 it as looking like a ball bearing 195 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:40,699 hanging in the sky he said it was 196 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:44,569 metallic and silvery and it went over 197 00:08:50,890 --> 00:08:46,370 them and he was sure it was not a 198 00:08:54,550 --> 00:08:50,900 balloon and he watched it in amazement 199 00:08:57,370 --> 00:08:54,560 well that's quote unquote I imagine and 200 00:09:00,510 --> 00:08:57,380 what he said it was yeah essentially and 201 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:00,520 then he said it vanished huh interesting 202 00:09:06,940 --> 00:09:04,610 and blue and green is not what you would 203 00:09:09,070 --> 00:09:06,950 see on an airplane that's for sure you 204 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:09,080 wouldn't see that on a airplane however 205 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:10,910 i did make one point that that you know 206 00:09:13,810 --> 00:09:12,890 the same reason you see a star twinkle 207 00:09:16,750 --> 00:09:13,820 because you're looking through the 208 00:09:20,110 --> 00:09:16,760 atmosphere if a star especially if it is 209 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:20,120 on the horizon where there's more 210 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:22,250 atmosphere you're looking through and 211 00:09:28,810 --> 00:09:24,710 even more so if you're like in Phoenix 212 00:09:31,810 --> 00:09:28,820 or LA or someplace where there is 213 00:09:33,490 --> 00:09:31,820 pollution the lights will look different 214 00:09:37,420 --> 00:09:33,500 colors and they look like they're 215 00:09:38,950 --> 00:09:37,430 changing different colors so that would 216 00:09:40,660 --> 00:09:38,960 be something that could make a light 217 00:09:42,820 --> 00:09:40,670 change different colors but of course 218 00:09:47,260 --> 00:09:42,830 some of these people said they felt it 219 00:09:49,420 --> 00:09:47,270 flew closer to them and that it's you 220 00:09:51,730 --> 00:09:49,430 know got these weird strange movement so 221 00:09:55,150 --> 00:09:51,740 really weird stuff yeah now there's 222 00:09:57,250 --> 00:09:55,160 another i want to say warminster there's 223 00:10:00,760 --> 00:09:57,260 another area where they see sightings a 224 00:10:02,260 --> 00:10:00,770 lot as well in england and they don't 225 00:10:04,810 --> 00:10:02,270 really have the clearest weather either 226 00:10:07,930 --> 00:10:04,820 yeah they don't what's interesting I I 227 00:10:09,730 --> 00:10:07,940 don't know I I don't feel like when they 228 00:10:11,380 --> 00:10:09,740 claim that in area is a hot spot in 229 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:11,390 England that they can really say that 230 00:10:15,790 --> 00:10:13,850 most of the time you know they don't 231 00:10:17,950 --> 00:10:15,800 have organizations that are doing like 232 00:10:20,530 --> 00:10:17,960 like MUFON or we've talked about these 233 00:10:23,740 --> 00:10:20,540 UFO maps with new fork where people are 234 00:10:26,290 --> 00:10:23,750 actually you know using some data to 235 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:26,300 come to those conclusions often it's 236 00:10:30,970 --> 00:10:28,610 anecdotal and warminster does have 237 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:30,980 sightings and they've had a couple of 238 00:10:35,530 --> 00:10:33,770 really important sightings that and I 239 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:35,540 think that's why it's in people's minds 240 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:38,810 but it would be interesting however you 241 00:10:41,950 --> 00:10:40,250 know especially if you look at the 242 00:10:45,430 --> 00:10:41,960 headlines that we post because we post 243 00:10:47,950 --> 00:10:45,440 them every day the UK seems to be 244 00:10:51,910 --> 00:10:47,960 writing about UFO stories at least on a 245 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:51,920 daily basis they are tabloid 'ish these 246 00:10:58,060 --> 00:10:54,530 two papers in mirror and the Daily 247 00:10:59,830 --> 00:10:58,070 Express very tabloid ish and they can be 248 00:11:03,340 --> 00:10:59,840 silly and sometimes their research isn't 249 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:03,350 that good and they're sensationalizing 250 00:11:08,410 --> 00:11:04,610 something that's not that 251 00:11:11,740 --> 00:11:08,420 citing but they write about UFOs on a 252 00:11:14,139 --> 00:11:11,750 daily basis and but also local people 253 00:11:16,449 --> 00:11:14,149 papers like this Newberry one they seem 254 00:11:18,699 --> 00:11:16,459 to very very open to the topic and it 255 00:11:22,449 --> 00:11:18,709 seems to beg there are quite a bit of 256 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:22,459 sightings in England in fact reading all 257 00:11:27,759 --> 00:11:25,250 of these stories certainly I would say 258 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:27,769 there's more new stories about UFOs in 259 00:11:33,430 --> 00:11:31,130 England and it could be that there are 260 00:11:35,650 --> 00:11:33,440 more UFO sightings per person in England 261 00:11:37,540 --> 00:11:35,660 and if someone could verify that that 262 00:11:40,180 --> 00:11:37,550 would be really interesting yeah it 263 00:11:43,180 --> 00:11:40,190 would be good to see a similar map like 264 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:43,190 you're saying in yeah too bad they don't 265 00:11:48,610 --> 00:11:46,010 have like a move on type of you know 266 00:11:50,470 --> 00:11:48,620 centralized organization like that 267 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:50,480 especially am you think that they would 268 00:11:54,670 --> 00:11:51,890 if they're actually seeing all these 269 00:11:56,380 --> 00:11:54,680 things they do have some organizations 270 00:11:59,139 --> 00:11:56,390 but nothing that's kind of taken off 271 00:12:02,380 --> 00:11:59,149 like MUFON is all over the country right 272 00:12:04,150 --> 00:12:02,390 right so we have one more story we got 273 00:12:06,850 --> 00:12:04,160 one more and this is a really exciting 274 00:12:10,509 --> 00:12:06,860 story i love NASA's stories anyway but 275 00:12:12,699 --> 00:12:10,519 this is kind of neat and this is about 276 00:12:14,980 --> 00:12:12,709 the same time i wrote a longer story 277 00:12:16,810 --> 00:12:14,990 very more sciency about Europa because 278 00:12:18,850 --> 00:12:16,820 this is kind of cool NASA cysts are 279 00:12:20,889 --> 00:12:18,860 going to go to Europa which is a moon of 280 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:20,899 Jupiter that they think has a crust of 281 00:12:24,490 --> 00:12:22,970 ice with water below so it's exciting 282 00:12:26,199 --> 00:12:24,500 they're going to go there and start to 283 00:12:28,060 --> 00:12:26,209 explore it and there's already these 284 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:28,070 machines that can go under the ice and 285 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:30,290 it's just incredible to think about what 286 00:12:36,130 --> 00:12:32,930 might be under the ice but is it also 287 00:12:39,939 --> 00:12:36,140 pardon me but isn't the ice like a mile 288 00:12:44,620 --> 00:12:39,949 thick or something it is 12 to 19 miles 289 00:12:48,100 --> 00:12:44,630 thick okay that'd be why out of a robot 290 00:12:50,470 --> 00:12:48,110 it would but at like I wrote in my story 291 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:50,480 there's a company stone aerospace that 292 00:12:55,449 --> 00:12:53,690 believes that they've developed a hydro 293 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:55,459 bot is what they're called that drills 294 00:13:01,269 --> 00:12:58,490 through the ice that can drill that far 295 00:13:03,870 --> 00:13:01,279 it uses fiber optics to be controlled 296 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:03,880 and to get its power and everything and 297 00:13:10,090 --> 00:13:07,010 they've done some trials with it already 298 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:10,100 i think it's gone 31 meters but you know 299 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:12,050 it's hard to find mile walk the guys 300 00:13:17,019 --> 00:13:15,050 here on our planet but they say no 301 00:13:18,430 --> 00:13:17,029 problem they can do it so it seems like 302 00:13:20,770 --> 00:13:18,440 the technology already 303 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:20,780 us too to accomplish that so it might 304 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:22,970 not be as far-fetched as we think Wow 305 00:13:28,210 --> 00:13:26,150 how about that but so this is to support 306 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:28,220 my idea that over in England they love 307 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:31,490 UFOs you know NASA's administrator 308 00:13:38,110 --> 00:13:34,730 charles bolden went to speak with a 309 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:38,120 british school children and that they 310 00:13:43,570 --> 00:13:42,170 asked him about aliens in area 51 and 311 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:43,580 it's kind of cool his answers were 312 00:13:49,570 --> 00:13:46,850 pretty neat he essentially said in his 313 00:13:50,860 --> 00:13:49,580 talk that you know at NASA they believe 314 00:13:54,430 --> 00:13:50,870 they're going to find extraterrestrial 315 00:13:56,770 --> 00:13:54,440 life somewhere so one kid said well do 316 00:13:59,050 --> 00:13:56,780 you believe in aliens and he said I do 317 00:14:01,810 --> 00:13:59,060 believe that we will someday find other 318 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:01,820 forms of life or a form of life if not 319 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:03,890 in our solar system than in some other 320 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:06,650 solar system the billions of other solar 321 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:09,410 systems in the universe so that was kind 322 00:14:14,470 --> 00:14:11,450 of cool but then he started talking 323 00:14:16,930 --> 00:14:14,480 about area 51 she says it does exist but 324 00:14:20,530 --> 00:14:16,940 he doesn't think there are aliens there 325 00:14:22,390 --> 00:14:20,540 in fact he said he's been there he 326 00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:22,400 called it a normal research and 327 00:14:26,860 --> 00:14:24,320 development place he says I never saw 328 00:14:29,380 --> 00:14:26,870 any alien tour alien spacecraft or 329 00:14:30,910 --> 00:14:29,390 anything when i was there he says i 330 00:14:33,100 --> 00:14:30,920 think because of the secrecy of the 331 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:33,110 aeronautics research that goes on there 332 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:35,210 it's ripe for people to talk about 333 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:39,170 aliens being there so kind of cool this 334 00:14:45,550 --> 00:14:43,070 guy had been to area 51 and talked about 335 00:14:46,900 --> 00:14:45,560 it so any you know he admitted and 336 00:14:50,530 --> 00:14:46,910 there's still some people who don't 337 00:14:54,850 --> 00:14:50,540 believe area 51 exists so just further 338 00:14:57,010 --> 00:14:54,860 support to area 51 exists well maybe 339 00:14:59,260 --> 00:14:57,020 there's no aliens there but says there's 340 00:15:03,130 --> 00:14:59,270 alien somewhere and gosh darn it he 341 00:15:06,420 --> 00:15:03,140 thinks NASA is going to find them well 342 00:15:09,250 --> 00:15:06,430 either that or they'll find us right 343 00:15:12,250 --> 00:15:09,260 yeah I think that's most likely the case 344 00:15:14,260 --> 00:15:12,260 if of course like the field war in of 345 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:14,270 course they haven't already found us in 346 00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:16,910 there sneaking around being sneaky 347 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:21,140 little buggers just frustrating the heck 348 00:15:26,140 --> 00:15:23,330 out of people like me and you or our 349 00:15:29,890 --> 00:15:26,150 listeners not exposing themselves 350 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:29,900 thoroughly but just kind of being tricky 351 00:15:34,900 --> 00:15:31,850 yeah a little-little 352 00:15:37,180 --> 00:15:34,910 writers makes you really when you really 353 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:37,190 think about it you know comes up on the 354 00:15:44,199 --> 00:15:39,110 show all the time and your show too is 355 00:15:47,410 --> 00:15:44,209 that it really is so elusive and it's 356 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:47,420 just you know the the common comment you 357 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:49,490 always hear from anyone on The Skeptical 358 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:52,250 side which I think it's good to be on 359 00:15:58,210 --> 00:15:54,529 The Skeptical side but is um you know 360 00:16:01,210 --> 00:15:58,220 all so-called evidence is fleeting you 361 00:16:06,670 --> 00:16:01,220 know there's and unpredictable 362 00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:06,680 unrepeatable so it it just I I think 363 00:16:12,819 --> 00:16:08,720 it's up to them if they want us to know 364 00:16:16,930 --> 00:16:12,829 they will let us know I am of the same 365 00:16:18,910 --> 00:16:16,940 exact opinion because like you said what 366 00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:18,920 we found thus far has been bleeding and 367 00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:22,160 a lot of the best minds the scientists 368 00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:23,630 who believe there's something going on 369 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:25,279 there's some sort of intelligence at 370 00:16:33,490 --> 00:16:29,690 play here third party that they're just 371 00:16:36,249 --> 00:16:33,500 two steps ahead of us and we just can't 372 00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:36,259 catch them if they have the means to get 373 00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:38,240 here then they have the means to do that 374 00:16:44,410 --> 00:16:42,800 too right exactly yeah I agree all right 375 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:44,420 there friend will be talking to you next 376 00:16:49,929 --> 00:16:46,910 week all right talk to you next week 377 00:16:52,059 --> 00:16:49,939 buddy all right so everyone hang on for 378 00:17:02,150 --> 00:16:52,069 just a minute here a quick little music 379 00:18:19,380 --> 00:18:09,019 you 380 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:19,390 joining us and and this first time we've 381 00:18:24,779 --> 00:18:22,690 ever spoke well today and so on the 382 00:18:28,169 --> 00:18:24,789 listening audience out there would like 383 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:28,179 to know who is Ron James so if you 384 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:30,120 wouldn't mind going right in explaining 385 00:18:36,389 --> 00:18:33,370 who you are your interests how you got 386 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:36,399 interested in the topic and we'll talk 387 00:18:44,159 --> 00:18:41,049 about filmmaking after that awesome well 388 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:44,169 you know back when I was coming up in 389 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:46,330 the in the media business I used to 390 00:18:51,509 --> 00:18:48,970 watch UFO shows and read the magazines 391 00:18:53,399 --> 00:18:51,519 and I remember Nick Pope when he was 392 00:18:56,009 --> 00:18:53,409 actually still Minister of Defence used 393 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:56,019 to write a column for UFO magazine now I 394 00:18:59,340 --> 00:18:57,850 remember thinking wow that's pretty cool 395 00:19:01,320 --> 00:18:59,350 but some guy in government will actually 396 00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:01,330 talk to people about this stuff and then 397 00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:04,000 I see Stanton Friedman on TV and I did 398 00:19:08,129 --> 00:19:05,919 to myself wow this is so awesome here's 399 00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:08,139 this guy who's a scientist and he was 400 00:19:12,180 --> 00:19:09,700 actually willing to really go on the 401 00:19:14,940 --> 00:19:12,190 record and it really explore the subject 402 00:19:17,129 --> 00:19:14,950 and so I thought that it was really 403 00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:17,139 great that it was getting kind of 404 00:19:22,379 --> 00:19:19,120 exposure that it was getting in later on 405 00:19:24,570 --> 00:19:22,389 I started being exposed to a lot of 406 00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,580 different ministries besides just the e 407 00:19:28,259 --> 00:19:26,559 key question and I started realizing 408 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:28,269 that they're all profoundly 409 00:19:33,450 --> 00:19:31,330 interconnected and you know early on I 410 00:19:35,779 --> 00:19:33,460 decided that when I got in the media 411 00:19:39,539 --> 00:19:35,789 this is a direction that I wanted to go 412 00:19:41,730 --> 00:19:39,549 from so since then I've been on a 413 00:19:45,690 --> 00:19:41,740 spiritual Odyssey through Sedona Arizona 414 00:19:48,930 --> 00:19:45,700 where I produced over 200 dvds covering 415 00:19:52,529 --> 00:19:48,940 everything from cryptozoology to ghosts 416 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:52,539 and EVP electronic voice phenomenon all 417 00:19:58,169 --> 00:19:55,260 the way to several docs about UFOs 418 00:20:00,389 --> 00:19:58,179 metaphysical practices new science 419 00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:00,399 quantum physics and how you know science 420 00:20:07,019 --> 00:20:04,240 and the paranormal are kind of fusing 421 00:20:08,580 --> 00:20:07,029 together into some common understandings 422 00:20:11,129 --> 00:20:08,590 it hasn't happened yet but it's getting 423 00:20:13,799 --> 00:20:11,139 there and of course the UFO stuff so 424 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:13,809 I've produced previously that's 425 00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:16,210 conference two years in a row I've done 426 00:20:20,490 --> 00:20:18,160 a ton of behind-the-scenes stuff 427 00:20:22,650 --> 00:20:20,500 producing these are these events and 428 00:20:24,750 --> 00:20:22,660 handling all the video production in the 429 00:20:27,210 --> 00:20:24,760 streaming and then of course I did the 430 00:20:29,310 --> 00:20:27,220 Citizen hearing on disclosure which was 431 00:20:31,740 --> 00:20:29,320 which in which my company produced and 432 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:31,750 then I am currently involved in the 433 00:20:36,180 --> 00:20:33,370 congressional hearing initiative working 434 00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:36,190 with steve bassett we sent out the dvds 435 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:39,040 of the Citizen hearing to every single 436 00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:40,810 member of Congress we sat on my house 437 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:46,420 together and made 6500 DVDs on a burner 438 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:49,780 and put them in boxes and shut them to 439 00:20:53,070 --> 00:20:51,250 every member of Congress and so now 440 00:20:54,930 --> 00:20:53,080 we're very actively pursuing people in 441 00:20:58,110 --> 00:20:54,940 Washington to try and bring about 442 00:21:00,030 --> 00:20:58,120 disclosure so that's a background on you 443 00:21:02,550 --> 00:21:00,040 know what I've done where I'm from then 444 00:21:04,980 --> 00:21:02,560 of course have won the the EBD awards 445 00:21:08,670 --> 00:21:04,990 are arguably the biggest award and the 446 00:21:10,830 --> 00:21:08,680 film test in the ET film category and in 447 00:21:14,250 --> 00:21:10,840 2012 i won best picture people's choice 448 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:14,260 for the disclosure dialogues and then in 449 00:21:19,740 --> 00:21:17,290 2015 and the one the best film in 450 00:21:24,090 --> 00:21:19,750 people's choice for the travel 451 00:21:28,860 --> 00:21:24,100 documentary on the chocolate continuing 452 00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:28,870 to take a good roll yeah uh it seems 453 00:21:31,770 --> 00:21:30,070 like we're having just a little bit of 454 00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:31,780 an issue with your phone is everything 455 00:21:36,750 --> 00:21:33,240 all right with that as hard you know 456 00:21:40,020 --> 00:21:36,760 yeah sure okay it should be is it better 457 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:40,030 now seems a little better now yes and 458 00:21:50,610 --> 00:21:42,970 the name of your website is I've evolved 459 00:21:52,620 --> 00:21:50,620 tv.com I yep olv e tv.com yes and that's 460 00:21:54,810 --> 00:21:52,630 that's like an online subscription based 461 00:21:57,210 --> 00:21:54,820 TV network where you can find all kinds 462 00:22:00,210 --> 00:21:57,220 of topics about the metaphysical staff 463 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:00,220 the ET question and of course all the 464 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:04,210 related subjects is it just your your 465 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:07,690 material alone no we have material from 466 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:10,210 other people I've produced a lot of 467 00:22:14,190 --> 00:22:12,490 stuff so a lot of the content on there 468 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:14,200 is mine but with that the original shows 469 00:22:18,990 --> 00:22:17,170 right now and you know it's everybody's 470 00:22:20,850 --> 00:22:19,000 invited to participate so if there's 471 00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,860 content creators out there that would 472 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:22,720 have to find a place to monetize their 473 00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:24,610 content yeah we can give them that 474 00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,520 option now I don't really want to open a 475 00:22:30,130 --> 00:22:29,440 can of worms here but I might be by 476 00:22:32,380 --> 00:22:30,140 asking this 477 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:32,390 question but it seems to me that there 478 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:37,030 are other people that are did a 479 00:22:42,730 --> 00:22:39,850 disclosure you know the Citizen hearing 480 00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:42,740 video so is it two different parties 481 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:47,600 that did these videos no the the Citizen 482 00:22:55,450 --> 00:22:49,730 hearing was put on by steve bassett and 483 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:55,460 CHD two productions and the the guys 484 00:22:59,620 --> 00:22:58,010 that are running CHD two productions 485 00:23:02,680 --> 00:22:59,630 have released the official Citizen 486 00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:02,690 hearing package and so it's out there 487 00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,630 it's available and yes also Steve still 488 00:23:11,050 --> 00:23:07,520 owns a third of that company and 489 00:23:13,540 --> 00:23:11,060 everybody's working together okay okay 490 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:13,550 because I I had someone on a while back 491 00:23:18,490 --> 00:23:16,010 that was saying that they did the video 492 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:18,500 as well that's why I'm a little bit 493 00:23:23,290 --> 00:23:21,890 confused about that part of it well you 494 00:23:25,210 --> 00:23:23,300 know what a big production there's a lot 495 00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,220 of people that do a lot of things I'm 496 00:23:30,430 --> 00:23:27,200 just to set the record straight my 497 00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,440 company was the surra provider of video 498 00:23:34,270 --> 00:23:32,000 services to the Citizen hearing on 499 00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:34,280 disclosure we shot every purpose footage 500 00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:39,040 we provided all of the edited pieces to 501 00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:42,230 see HD two productions and remember I'm 502 00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:43,790 not going to really get too far into it 503 00:23:47,740 --> 00:23:46,100 I have heard that and I figured maybe 504 00:23:49,150 --> 00:23:47,750 there's people out there taking credit 505 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:49,160 for things they didn't do and they 506 00:23:55,410 --> 00:23:51,170 shouldn't do it beyond that I'm not 507 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:55,420 going to comment all right sure um so 508 00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:58,330 speaking of that okay you put out these 509 00:24:03,490 --> 00:24:01,760 6,500 deep DVDs her that you burned 510 00:24:05,380 --> 00:24:03,500 which is amazing I can't imagine how 511 00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:05,390 long that took you sent them a little 512 00:24:13,420 --> 00:24:10,070 job yeah now I had Steve on shortly 513 00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,430 after that and I asked him what the 514 00:24:17,620 --> 00:24:15,440 reaction was and he said so far nothing 515 00:24:20,020 --> 00:24:17,630 how do you know if anything's changed as 516 00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:20,030 far as the reaction of those dvds going 517 00:24:24,370 --> 00:24:22,910 out sure you know it's very interesting 518 00:24:26,140 --> 00:24:24,380 because there's some person very 519 00:24:28,270 --> 00:24:26,150 interesting correlations between some 520 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:28,280 things would have happened and some some 521 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:31,130 dates and some announcements made by prg 522 00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:33,410 so you know one of the things that was 523 00:24:37,420 --> 00:24:35,150 very interesting is that the Citizen 524 00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:37,430 hearing on disclosure on you know John 525 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:41,120 Burroughs was giving his testimony about 526 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:42,170 the fact that he couldn't get his 527 00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:43,650 medical records and 528 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:45,240 since then the government has come to 529 00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:47,610 him and settled in Maidan agree with him 530 00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:50,580 that he can live with and there are some 531 00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:52,110 admissions on the government's part 532 00:24:58,370 --> 00:24:55,230 inside these documents and we feel with 533 00:25:00,440 --> 00:24:58,380 the large part of that was caught could 534 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:00,450 be brought about by the fact that the 535 00:25:06,850 --> 00:25:02,310 effects Congress people that heard 536 00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:06,860 testimony at the Citizen hearing were 537 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:08,910 instrumental in writing a letter to 538 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:11,490 Congress and to the deposit being 539 00:25:16,820 --> 00:25:14,610 governed asking that they make these 540 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:16,830 medical records available so that was 541 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:20,490 when cata final action that we saw as a 542 00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:22,260 result of the hearings and then in 543 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:25,500 Washington we've had a publicist working 544 00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:27,210 to get us you have more and more 545 00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:29,460 information it could get the information 546 00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:32,940 out there so the anab super DVDs were 547 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:34,740 going to Congress just we're going to 548 00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:36,090 click upgrades with that announced state 549 00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:37,830 Bill Clinton when I'm Jimmy Kimmel and 550 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:41,190 did his famous conversation and then 551 00:25:47,420 --> 00:25:43,170 there was another announcement by prg 552 00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:47,430 about the current Hillary Clinton and 553 00:25:52,820 --> 00:25:50,580 the Rockefeller initiative and surely 554 00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,830 before that information is going to hit 555 00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:54,960 Capitol Hill or banner in on Jimmy 556 00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:56,820 Kimmel and talked about the e key issue 557 00:26:02,480 --> 00:25:58,980 and I really didn't give us much they 558 00:26:06,110 --> 00:26:02,490 gave us certainly food for fodder and um 559 00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:06,120 yeah it's a we think that those events 560 00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:08,100 are interconnected and certainly when 561 00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:11,640 Tedesco made his his announcement that 562 00:26:15,410 --> 00:26:13,740 the his biggest disappointment of eight 563 00:26:18,530 --> 00:26:15,420 years in the White House was that he was 564 00:26:22,370 --> 00:26:18,540 unable to get the UFO FILES Declassified 565 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:22,380 you actually in his tweet where he made 566 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:25,010 that comment we use hashtag disclosure 567 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:28,680 lanham the hashtag disclosure is the 568 00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:30,690 hashtag that we create eclipses critic 569 00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:32,340 for the congressional hearing initiative 570 00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:34,740 and people are paying attention to these 571 00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,260 these actions that was almost a signal 572 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:39,360 to the people that are involved heavily 573 00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:40,890 in the disclosure movement that we're on 574 00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:43,260 the right track it was a acknowledgment 575 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:46,020 in an unofficial way and so where those 576 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:48,690 things happened and then the the biggest 577 00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:51,090 magazine in this kids a congress reads 578 00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:53,100 is called where kaulitz at the type of 579 00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,720 trade magazine for congressmen and 580 00:27:01,220 --> 00:26:57,360 Senators and they gave us a huge right 581 00:27:03,140 --> 00:27:01,230 explaining the fair thing from the very 582 00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:03,150 beginning before the Citizen hearing all 583 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:04,620 the way through the disclosure may think 584 00:27:10,460 --> 00:27:07,770 that it was it was very well received 585 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:10,470 and since then believe it or not steve 586 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,610 has been getting meetings as 587 00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:13,200 congressional staffers giving them 588 00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:14,700 another copy of the Citizen hearing on 589 00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:17,220 disclosure and wearing part for them 590 00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:19,110 Ronnie Congress should be out of hearing 591 00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:22,590 so when we consider the fact that the 592 00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:26,400 lobbyist movement is trying to do this 593 00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:28,380 through the political process it exists 594 00:27:33,980 --> 00:27:31,049 now without the need for secrecy there's 595 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:33,990 been the issue has been wrapped in for 596 00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:36,809 decades it's good to see that yes there 597 00:27:42,140 --> 00:27:38,820 is seven group that happen and actually 598 00:27:45,140 --> 00:27:42,150 a lot more than a lot of people saw hmm 599 00:27:46,909 --> 00:27:45,150 well it'll be interesting you know I 600 00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:46,919 always hear from different people last 601 00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:49,350 week we actually had been Hansen on the 602 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:53,750 show he's the one that went through both 603 00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:56,450 the Jimmy Kimmel films of both the 604 00:28:02,510 --> 00:27:59,580 president and mass president and studied 605 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:02,520 them and gave an analysis interesting 606 00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:04,049 you know that whole thing was 607 00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:09,510 interesting and I when I spoke to Leslie 608 00:28:16,580 --> 00:28:13,919 Kane right after of the Podesta Podesta 609 00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:16,590 tweet and she she was under the 610 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:18,120 impression she knows them pretty well 611 00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:20,490 they they keep in touch but she never 612 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:23,820 asked him directly about that tweet but 613 00:28:27,980 --> 00:28:26,010 she said that's just his sense of humor 614 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:27,990 so I think you know that was partially 615 00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,290 speculating on her side well I mean 616 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:33,360 Leslie's on the record as not really 617 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:37,890 believing in the work of prg and and so 618 00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:39,900 you know different people are going to 619 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:42,990 have different opinions and you know 620 00:28:49,220 --> 00:28:45,690 that's that's okay that I I know that 621 00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:49,230 you know in Bern analyze the footage he 622 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:51,900 was pretty convinced that they know more 623 00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:53,850 than they're telling and I think they're 624 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:56,880 just going on there and giving us what 625 00:29:00,020 --> 00:28:58,530 we call a limited hang up where you're 626 00:29:00,950 --> 00:29:00,030 just going to acknowledge something but 627 00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:00,960 you're not going to acknowledge 628 00:29:06,740 --> 00:29:03,260 everything we know that Bill Clinton 629 00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:06,750 that the Jimmy Kimmel show said what he 630 00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:09,630 said and basically we're saying that it 631 00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,100 wasn't until the second term 632 00:29:14,779 --> 00:29:12,960 had an interest in the eat you issue but 633 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:14,789 we know for a fact that that's not true 634 00:29:18,529 --> 00:29:16,890 because the Rockefeller initiative the 635 00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:18,539 Florence Rockefellers started during the 636 00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:20,580 first term and there is you know 637 00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:22,740 obviously a very famous paper trail and 638 00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:24,059 the pictures of Clinton with Hillary 639 00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:28,049 Clinton with pod Davies book in her bag 640 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:30,750 on the Rockefeller estate during the 641 00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:35,130 first the first administration the first 642 00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:38,039 years that's all you know in the record 643 00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:39,270 so you sir where we don't pay attention 644 00:29:43,399 --> 00:29:41,580 to it for the second term when I started 645 00:29:44,899 --> 00:29:43,409 that Roswell investigated where we know 646 00:29:47,060 --> 00:29:44,909 that's not true so again under me come 647 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:47,070 in for people that are in the know he 648 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:52,049 gave us basically a lie and so you know 649 00:29:57,169 --> 00:29:53,370 what some of it when somebody lies like 650 00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:57,179 that and it's very easy to to to plan 651 00:30:01,220 --> 00:29:59,820 out then yeah there's going to be people 652 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:01,230 it don't really pay attention there's 653 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:02,130 going to be people that know what's 654 00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:03,210 going on that are going to say wait a 655 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:05,100 minute no that's that's tantamount to an 656 00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:07,650 admission to almost except when the Air 657 00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,630 Force says the Roswell was crashed on 658 00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,520 these or no it was a better than a no 659 00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:13,679 it's not when the lie becomes so 660 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:16,440 ludicrous it's almost like an admission 661 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:22,080 in itself right I I know there was a 662 00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:24,510 there was some controversy about that 663 00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:28,409 book but I check that out too and I'm 664 00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:29,640 trying to remember I was trying to find 665 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:32,100 it really quick which book that was it 666 00:30:37,399 --> 00:30:34,650 supposedly she was carrying i do 667 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:37,409 remember what that that book was there 668 00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:39,690 was a book by Paul Davies and I don't 669 00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:41,820 return me back but will something like 670 00:30:47,659 --> 00:30:45,230 the societal implications BG contact 671 00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:47,669 okay we're having a little bit of a 672 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:49,830 signal issue there is your signals would 673 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:51,570 you mind checking your phone just seeing 674 00:31:02,750 --> 00:30:55,110 if you have a good signal on that yeah 675 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:02,760 i'm close its good let me uh alright how 676 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:04,770 about now is it Tom better yeah right 677 00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:12,330 now so okay um yeah I have I have the 678 00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:14,520 page up where all the photos are 679 00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:16,409 compared and everything better I'll be 680 00:31:20,299 --> 00:31:17,940 darned if I can't find the book name 681 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:20,309 it's not on that it doesn't look like 682 00:31:26,529 --> 00:31:22,970 it's even on that page 683 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:26,539 and John Gibbons nope that was a science 684 00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:30,130 advisor no it's a baby Paul Davies okay 685 00:31:36,580 --> 00:31:32,870 well we have to google that Davies upon 686 00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:36,590 on the boat yeah yeah well that that's 687 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:39,230 that was an interesting thing it seemed 688 00:31:43,899 --> 00:31:40,730 to me that someone was trying to say 689 00:31:46,210 --> 00:31:43,909 that that was that was hoaxed there or 690 00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:46,220 something there a photoshopped in there 691 00:31:51,460 --> 00:31:48,260 or something I don't know had you ever 692 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:51,470 heard anything about that well you know 693 00:31:54,460 --> 00:31:52,850 I suppose that anything could be 694 00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,470 photoshopped you have to remember that 695 00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,480 these were pictures certainly in Castle 696 00:32:01,390 --> 00:31:58,240 a business owner says other pictures 697 00:32:05,409 --> 00:32:01,400 right on nobody's ever been able to show 698 00:32:07,539 --> 00:32:05,419 an original it doesn't have okay there's 699 00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:07,549 a person on the message board that wants 700 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:12,830 to know what your Sedona media site is 701 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:15,289 pleased website is are there any videos 702 00:32:22,390 --> 00:32:18,580 out there where people can buy and and 703 00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:22,400 where get them well you can go to 704 00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,980 eyeball TV calm and my DVDs wouldn't 705 00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:26,960 stir then also the catalog is available 706 00:32:32,020 --> 00:32:30,260 on pay-per-view so we can you can but 707 00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,030 you my password and watch it you know 708 00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:34,640 anytime anywhere on all of the funds are 709 00:32:40,899 --> 00:32:38,870 available and we actually have it an ET 710 00:32:44,049 --> 00:32:40,909 collection that has some very great 711 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:44,059 films from suzanne tara aware escamilla 712 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:46,610 and myself in collapse all of them for 713 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:49,610 999 um so yeah there's a there's some 714 00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:51,289 different options and inside the store 715 00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:54,950 of eyeball TV you can buy the dvds okay 716 00:33:01,080 --> 00:32:58,640 good so did you have an the going way 717 00:33:04,409 --> 00:33:01,090 back here did you have an interest in 718 00:33:07,630 --> 00:33:04,419 you know UFOs and other paranormal 719 00:33:11,890 --> 00:33:07,640 activities early on in life or is this 720 00:33:13,510 --> 00:33:11,900 something that came about later um you 721 00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:13,520 know I always had a passing interest in 722 00:33:16,930 --> 00:33:15,470 it but I've never realized that it was 723 00:33:19,690 --> 00:33:16,940 going to be as big a part of my life as 724 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:19,700 it is now when I try to approach items 725 00:33:23,980 --> 00:33:21,770 from a journalistic standpoint and so 726 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:23,990 people say what kind of experiences you 727 00:33:27,970 --> 00:33:25,970 had the LED you here and you know 728 00:33:29,770 --> 00:33:27,980 truthfully I've never seen a UFO I've 729 00:33:31,539 --> 00:33:29,780 never been abducted by an alien I've had 730 00:33:34,270 --> 00:33:31,549 some strange things happened in haunted 731 00:33:36,130 --> 00:33:34,280 house but at the end of the day I think 732 00:33:39,130 --> 00:33:36,140 that exploring 733 00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:39,140 mysteries is the adventure of life and 734 00:33:42,940 --> 00:33:41,600 so you know there's a lot of things that 735 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:42,950 are out there that we can see and touch 736 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:44,450 and feel and there's a lot of things 737 00:33:48,190 --> 00:33:46,250 that are out there that we just know and 738 00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:48,200 bringing those to the forefront and 739 00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:52,310 trying to solidify the the presidents in 740 00:33:58,060 --> 00:33:54,230 a more scientifically validated manner 741 00:34:00,940 --> 00:33:58,070 is really exciting I'm it I'm there with 742 00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,950 you a hundred percent you know I I did 743 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:02,720 have a sighting I had a passing interest 744 00:34:08,110 --> 00:34:05,450 as well you know but always had an 745 00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:08,120 interest in astronomy and science and 746 00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:11,240 things like that and once I had a 747 00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:14,390 sighting in 2006 you know I started 748 00:34:20,649 --> 00:34:18,230 paying a lot more attention and I don't 749 00:34:22,330 --> 00:34:20,659 know I guess it's time I can tell this I 750 00:34:26,919 --> 00:34:22,340 told this toward the beginning of the 751 00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:26,929 show when I started but how I got into 752 00:34:32,590 --> 00:34:30,080 doing a podcast is kind of on the UFO 753 00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,600 topic is kind of funny if any one 754 00:34:38,530 --> 00:34:34,399 listener hasn't heard it out there I'll 755 00:34:40,630 --> 00:34:38,540 just tell it real quickly and years ago 756 00:34:43,450 --> 00:34:40,640 I was up I was doing a little bit of 757 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:43,460 stand-up comedy you know nothing you 758 00:34:50,830 --> 00:34:46,250 know just amateur but I had a podcast 759 00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:50,840 for a while on on interviewing some 760 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:53,679 actually pretty good comedians and 761 00:34:59,470 --> 00:34:57,290 another podcast contacted me said they 762 00:35:01,560 --> 00:34:59,480 want to be on you know asked me on their 763 00:35:04,090 --> 00:35:01,570 show and so I went on their show and 764 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:04,100 they asked me in the middle of the show 765 00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:05,690 was a strangest thing that ever happened 766 00:35:11,860 --> 00:35:07,640 and I talked about my sighting in the 767 00:35:13,870 --> 00:35:11,870 entire time the entire time I would the 768 00:35:17,290 --> 00:35:13,880 person that was running the podcasts 769 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:17,300 named skip something was teasing me the 770 00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:19,850 whole entire time and laughing and you 771 00:35:23,260 --> 00:35:21,740 know talking about the anal probe and 772 00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:23,270 you know all this stuff and stuff and I 773 00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:24,800 has all brother you know I had to listen 774 00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:27,470 to that so I said well that's the last 775 00:35:32,740 --> 00:35:29,240 time I talked about that you know type 776 00:35:36,070 --> 00:35:32,750 you think well he was having like Google 777 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:36,080 Analytics and he was saying of this you 778 00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,210 know this podcast is being played a lot 779 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:40,160 and he had his up he had his podcast 780 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:43,850 transcribed and then he emailed me and 781 00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:45,170 says guess what it's when we were 782 00:35:50,109 --> 00:35:47,020 talking about UFOs 783 00:35:51,819 --> 00:35:50,119 so like two weeks later I said you know 784 00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:51,829 what I'm going to I was doing a podcast 785 00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:54,470 on fine art and antiques and it's it's a 786 00:36:00,220 --> 00:35:56,990 little dry I'm really into the topic but 787 00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:00,230 it's kind of dry but this is exciting to 788 00:36:08,589 --> 00:36:05,089 me and I just decided one day I checked 789 00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:08,599 up checked out different URLs and I said 790 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:10,670 what's the easiest you are well for 791 00:36:17,319 --> 00:36:12,680 someone looking for a podcast on UFOs 792 00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:17,329 and podcast UFO it was and there we go 793 00:36:24,430 --> 00:36:22,040 and so I started and I contacted a bunch 794 00:36:25,539 --> 00:36:24,440 of people Stanton Friedman and all kinds 795 00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,549 of people like that and all of a sudden 796 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:27,920 one guy answered me and that was steve 797 00:36:33,609 --> 00:36:30,410 bassett so he was the first person on my 798 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:33,619 show and yeah that's pretty funny I've 799 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:35,450 been working with speed for on and off 800 00:36:40,180 --> 00:36:38,690 for a long time and I turned wood 801 00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:40,190 there's a lot of people that are part of 802 00:36:43,569 --> 00:36:42,140 my life now that I met through Steve but 803 00:36:45,309 --> 00:36:43,579 it's very interesting people that have 804 00:36:47,799 --> 00:36:45,319 nothing to do with the UFO building then 805 00:36:50,319 --> 00:36:47,809 so he's been is going to influence and 806 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:50,329 you know I just been able to happen not 807 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:52,970 with this stuff and a lot of people I 808 00:36:55,809 --> 00:36:54,290 catch a certain amount of flat because 809 00:36:58,299 --> 00:36:55,819 people say there's no where there's ever 810 00:36:59,710 --> 00:36:58,309 going to be disclosure there is no way 811 00:37:02,049 --> 00:36:59,720 that the president is ever going to 812 00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:02,059 stand on a podium and say oh we've been 813 00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,040 lying to you for 50 years investors 814 00:37:10,589 --> 00:37:07,280 alien base because I'm right here and 815 00:37:13,059 --> 00:37:10,599 you know maybe that's true but the 816 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:13,069 political process moving for disclosure 817 00:37:19,329 --> 00:37:17,210 is just another part of the push for 818 00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,339 truth so we didn't have somebody in 819 00:37:24,970 --> 00:37:22,400 Washington doing this work there would 820 00:37:26,980 --> 00:37:24,980 be a big void in the movement and so I 821 00:37:28,809 --> 00:37:26,990 always saw the people that regardless of 822 00:37:30,789 --> 00:37:28,819 whether you think this is going to end 823 00:37:32,589 --> 00:37:30,799 in the kind of disclosure that scheme so 824 00:37:34,780 --> 00:37:32,599 it's going blend in it doesn't really 825 00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:34,790 matter it's extremely battle but 826 00:37:39,549 --> 00:37:36,980 somebody be doing this work because it's 827 00:37:42,460 --> 00:37:39,559 part of the process the ship of change 828 00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:42,470 is a huge ocean liner and it turns very 829 00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,200 slowly and you've got the media 830 00:37:50,980 --> 00:37:47,119 providing some element of disclosure 831 00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:50,990 send said we've got declassified 832 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:54,200 documents that are providing it and the 833 00:37:57,490 --> 00:37:55,490 day that the government comes out and 834 00:38:00,059 --> 00:37:57,500 says yes okay it's all it's all been a 835 00:38:03,059 --> 00:38:00,069 lie man they're not come 836 00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:03,069 it's just another side of this that we 837 00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:04,569 have to keep pushing you have to keep 838 00:38:08,549 --> 00:38:06,609 knocking on the door we have to keep in 839 00:38:10,799 --> 00:38:08,559 hedging the political process no matter 840 00:38:13,019 --> 00:38:10,809 whether it turns out to be it's part of 841 00:38:14,819 --> 00:38:13,029 the movement and so for other people 842 00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:14,829 that did come in and say you know that's 843 00:38:18,779 --> 00:38:16,180 never going to happen or a basset 844 00:38:20,249 --> 00:38:18,789 fixative I just have to say it says it 845 00:38:22,319 --> 00:38:20,259 doesn't matter it has to be done 846 00:38:23,779 --> 00:38:22,329 somebody somebody has to be business if 847 00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:23,789 we didn't have somebody in Washington 848 00:38:27,209 --> 00:38:26,380 trying to wear against monsanto and we 849 00:38:30,089 --> 00:38:27,219 are going to put them out of business 850 00:38:32,819 --> 00:38:30,099 area that you stop GMO is probable mall 851 00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:32,829 but without that pressure we would be 852 00:38:36,539 --> 00:38:34,569 running to play the rampant on us so he 853 00:38:38,759 --> 00:38:36,549 didn't have groups out there making 854 00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:38,769 these obvious movements and engaging the 855 00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:40,180 political process through political 856 00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:43,390 means then you know who knows how bad 857 00:38:46,979 --> 00:38:45,430 guys would get and who knows how much 858 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:46,989 disclosure would be getting to the other 859 00:38:54,449 --> 00:38:49,930 source so you know it's really important 860 00:38:56,999 --> 00:38:54,459 war yeah I'm on the side where I kind of 861 00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:57,009 agree with you know the side that says 862 00:39:03,120 --> 00:38:59,920 the government would you know never you 863 00:39:05,609 --> 00:39:03,130 know disclose and it's it's mostly 864 00:39:08,729 --> 00:39:05,619 because what would they what could they 865 00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:08,739 possibly say about lying to us if that 866 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:11,440 is the case you know how they'd have a 867 00:39:16,049 --> 00:39:14,410 lot of answers to answer but I do have 868 00:39:18,269 --> 00:39:16,059 to say that I agree with you and I have 869 00:39:21,870 --> 00:39:18,279 said it before that it's better than 870 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:21,880 doing nothing and it will like you just 871 00:39:26,309 --> 00:39:23,890 said about Monsanto which you would love 872 00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:26,319 to see something happen with that but 873 00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:28,920 it's just like if no one does anything 874 00:39:37,979 --> 00:39:33,910 as far as politics go then things could 875 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:37,989 run rampant as far as the lies the 876 00:39:42,689 --> 00:39:40,089 future lives or the cover-ups you know 877 00:39:45,539 --> 00:39:42,699 this would make them at least a little 878 00:39:48,449 --> 00:39:45,549 more guarded if such a thing is actually 879 00:39:50,759 --> 00:39:48,459 happening in my opinion well it's true 880 00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:50,769 and you know it knows what cadets are 881 00:39:56,699 --> 00:39:54,400 really met with hashtag disposal but to 882 00:39:57,839 --> 00:39:56,709 us we feel like it was a direct nod and 883 00:39:59,069 --> 00:39:57,849 I you know I don't think there's 884 00:40:00,900 --> 00:39:59,079 somebody worked that hard in the 885 00:40:02,939 --> 00:40:00,910 administration despite all it was a team 886 00:40:04,259 --> 00:40:02,949 says some of the work that had in the 887 00:40:06,329 --> 00:40:04,269 administration to get that information 888 00:40:08,579 --> 00:40:06,339 released is going to make a big joke out 889 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:08,589 of it when he has to move to make this 890 00:40:13,350 --> 00:40:11,410 tweet I mean it's like to go on the 891 00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:13,360 record saying that 892 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:14,710 and to put something like hashtag 893 00:40:17,820 --> 00:40:16,330 disclose her in there and then have 894 00:40:19,410 --> 00:40:17,830 somebody like team just write it off as 895 00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:19,420 a big joke because he's got a funny 896 00:40:24,570 --> 00:40:21,190 sense of humor so they're making sense 897 00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:24,580 so there's a lot of you know there's a 898 00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:26,110 lot of things that have happened the 899 00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:28,750 article and will call and these other 900 00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:30,310 things they all go into the official 901 00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:32,590 record and you might have somebody 902 00:40:37,650 --> 00:40:34,780 standing on a corner I'm screaming that 903 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:37,660 the contactee or whatever and but none 904 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:38,650 of that's going into the political 905 00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:40,690 record the convert the Citizen hearing 906 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:44,380 on disclosure was a documented event the 907 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:46,930 part of history and the congressional 908 00:40:51,930 --> 00:40:48,490 hearing initiatives has been documented 909 00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:51,940 by Congress the cds the dvds that 910 00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,420 arrived in Washington will receive 911 00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:56,800 there's a record of all of this and so 912 00:41:00,810 --> 00:40:59,170 some nerve in the future when all of the 913 00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:00,820 people would have something to lose by 914 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:02,830 being clap for being a part of a lie are 915 00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:05,440 dead there is this record of this effort 916 00:41:10,290 --> 00:41:08,230 and on you know whether it's going to go 917 00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:10,300 it's going to end up but at the end of 918 00:41:22,530 --> 00:41:17,920 the day on good looks in history yep no 919 00:41:25,380 --> 00:41:22,540 I agree and I think you know it's who 920 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:25,390 knows how if there ever is disclosure 921 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:27,730 how it's ever really going to come about 922 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:30,970 you know I mean everyone says if you 923 00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:32,290 know not everyone but a lot of people 924 00:41:38,850 --> 00:41:35,380 speculate that you know what would it 925 00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:38,860 take for the government if it has been 926 00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,430 hiding the UFO topic what would it take 927 00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:45,280 for them to actually break down and say 928 00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:49,300 okay we acknowledge this I mean it would 929 00:41:55,410 --> 00:41:52,120 have to be some type of massive contact 930 00:41:57,780 --> 00:41:55,420 or even beyond a sighting it would have 931 00:42:00,330 --> 00:41:57,790 to be more than that I believe and you 932 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:00,340 know that may happen sooner or later I 933 00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:02,290 mean now there's more acknowledgement 934 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:04,360 about the possibility of life out there 935 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:06,010 it's kind of like we're almost being 936 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:11,370 eased into the reality of this being so 937 00:42:17,010 --> 00:42:13,690 well you know that's certainly part of 938 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:17,020 the process of disclosure is that you 939 00:42:20,850 --> 00:42:18,850 know the information is out there sure 940 00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:20,860 it's buried in disinformation and you 941 00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,670 have to kind of pick the bones of the 942 00:42:27,269 --> 00:42:26,800 legends in war to look for the things I 943 00:42:29,699 --> 00:42:27,279 resume 944 00:42:31,439 --> 00:42:29,709 to you as possibly being true but you 945 00:42:34,829 --> 00:42:31,449 have to do your own research but again 946 00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,839 today the informations out there and the 947 00:42:38,459 --> 00:42:36,880 people that have been guarding this 948 00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:38,469 information they know they can't keep it 949 00:42:42,449 --> 00:42:40,569 a secret forever but you know there's 950 00:42:44,249 --> 00:42:42,459 also this idea people see this in fact 951 00:42:47,339 --> 00:42:44,259 they're somehow clarified to become part 952 00:42:49,769 --> 00:42:47,349 of a galactic family and I think that if 953 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:49,779 I've ventured my opinion about it i 954 00:42:55,859 --> 00:42:52,689 don't think that humanity is ready to be 955 00:42:57,689 --> 00:42:55,869 welcomed into a Federation of space 956 00:42:59,789 --> 00:42:57,699 levels i think that we have a long way 957 00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,799 to go and I think that until you develop 958 00:43:04,739 --> 00:43:02,319 as a species beyond the threat of 959 00:43:07,439 --> 00:43:04,749 self-destruction and beyond the threat 960 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:07,449 you know i read with Isis does not 961 00:43:12,989 --> 00:43:11,140 belong off this planet and so you know I 962 00:43:14,579 --> 00:43:12,999 see a lot of people in LA you know like 963 00:43:16,349 --> 00:43:14,589 oh I'm enlightened by go to yoga 964 00:43:18,299 --> 00:43:16,359 spiritual I love everybody it's that 965 00:43:20,989 --> 00:43:18,309 great in my power to you but until we 966 00:43:23,669 --> 00:43:20,999 spread that leather or human advancement 967 00:43:26,189 --> 00:43:23,679 by the way through the farthest corners 968 00:43:29,059 --> 00:43:26,199 of the globe services so that we are not 969 00:43:30,779 --> 00:43:29,069 backing around constantly doing 970 00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:30,789 self-destructive and dysfunctional 971 00:43:36,329 --> 00:43:34,390 behavior we're not ready and so I don't 972 00:43:38,339 --> 00:43:36,339 think that we're going to be you know 973 00:43:41,429 --> 00:43:38,349 maybe there's some persons helping us 974 00:43:43,439 --> 00:43:41,439 and hindering us from unseen places but 975 00:43:45,989 --> 00:43:43,449 the facts are not going to land in 976 00:43:49,399 --> 00:43:45,999 Central Park and welcome us to space and 977 00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:49,409 so we've proven that we can do it right 978 00:43:57,539 --> 00:43:54,390 right have you excuse me in your and 979 00:44:01,249 --> 00:43:57,549 your research for any of your videos or 980 00:44:04,589 --> 00:44:01,259 anything like that have you considered 981 00:44:07,849 --> 00:44:04,599 it seems to me that when the UFO topic 982 00:44:10,469 --> 00:44:07,859 comes up people consider different 983 00:44:12,859 --> 00:44:10,479 different thoughts of what they may be 984 00:44:15,959 --> 00:44:12,869 not just extraterrestrial have you ever 985 00:44:17,909 --> 00:44:15,969 thought about or talk to anybody that 986 00:44:19,859 --> 00:44:17,919 made sense to you about any other 987 00:44:23,609 --> 00:44:19,869 possibilities of what they possibly 988 00:44:25,380 --> 00:44:23,619 could be sure I mean you know that's 989 00:44:27,539 --> 00:44:25,390 that I had a very interesting talk with 990 00:44:29,219 --> 00:44:27,549 what you're doing about that and also I 991 00:44:30,989 --> 00:44:29,229 don't know if you know who chris o'brien 992 00:44:32,429 --> 00:44:30,999 is but my guess and i have made several 993 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:32,439 signs together and he's one of my best 994 00:44:37,999 --> 00:44:36,249 friends and you know he's of the idea 995 00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:38,009 that there's an underground says 996 00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:40,440 civilization and you know as always 997 00:44:44,839 --> 00:44:42,900 dimensional possibility and truthfully 998 00:44:46,579 --> 00:44:44,849 when we write down to it if you are 999 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:46,589 traversing the great distance of space 1000 00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:48,089 and you're using some sort of a wormhole 1001 00:44:52,099 --> 00:44:50,609 that would almost make you a dimensional 1002 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:52,109 travel are just as much as it made you 1003 00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:54,690 an extraterrestrial traveler so the idea 1004 00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:57,480 that there are entities coming from 1005 00:45:02,510 --> 00:44:59,640 places that are not necessarily other 1006 00:45:05,420 --> 00:45:02,520 planets and looks perfect sense and if 1007 00:45:07,339 --> 00:45:05,430 there's probably that as well so I think 1008 00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:07,349 that maybe there's a I think there's a 1009 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:08,940 lot of different civilizations and a lot 1010 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:11,250 of different types of entities and there 1011 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:13,650 are around this by the time that we 1012 00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:15,690 don't see and and that we don't know 1013 00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:17,369 about and I think all of those things 1014 00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:21,300 are possible well you know sometimes you 1015 00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:23,339 know I mean last week I ended up telling 1016 00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,609 a ghost story and I never thought i 1017 00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:28,560 would do that you know something that i 1018 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:31,740 experienced and that was in the second 1019 00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,250 hour of the program and i'm surprised i 1020 00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:36,960 didn't get a lot of email you know email 1021 00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:39,000 people saying wait it's a UFO show for 1022 00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,220 crying out loud but we'd also some of 1023 00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:44,160 them sometimes though it makes you 1024 00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:47,640 wonder if you know these things are 1025 00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,220 connect connect shins through something 1026 00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:53,040 that we just you know we can't see we 1027 00:45:58,339 --> 00:45:56,790 can't actually touch and feel but 1028 00:46:01,250 --> 00:45:58,349 somehow there's a connection through 1029 00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:01,260 other ways you know maybe that's the 1030 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:03,480 explanation of what people call ghosts 1031 00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:05,970 and I don't know and sometimes there 1032 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:08,460 they are interrelated I mean you hear 1033 00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:13,170 about say maybe hot spots with sightings 1034 00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:16,020 and people see Bigfoot and ghosts and 1035 00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,520 everything else in the same area I mean 1036 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:19,920 it's really kind of amazing when you 1037 00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:23,970 hear about these places that experience 1038 00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:27,720 all that and you know I've been all go 1039 00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:30,150 ahead oh no I was going to ask you also 1040 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:34,220 have you ever like checked into any any 1041 00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:37,530 thing like that for one of your videos 1042 00:46:40,579 --> 00:46:39,569 like one of these hot spots where all 1043 00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:40,589 these different things seem to be 1044 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:43,230 happening oh absolutely i've written 1045 00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:45,210 twice in the service valleys handle this 1046 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:46,500 valley you know where Chris Weitz is 1047 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:49,170 booked oh yeah books about him and I did 1048 00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,810 the we did the documentary on it did 1049 00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:53,280 surrounded simply the horse but it was 1050 00:46:56,540 --> 00:46:53,880 really all 1051 00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:56,550 the valley itself and then I and so we 1052 00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:59,280 did that from and then I big mysterious 1053 00:47:03,740 --> 00:47:01,140 creatures in southwest with David 1054 00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:03,750 hatchery Childress press and I and a big 1055 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:05,580 part of that was our journey to dulfer 1056 00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,130 but we were taken out of the reservation 1057 00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:10,680 and shown some places it were supposedly 1058 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:12,780 heavily trafficked by Bigfoot and 1059 00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:14,970 interviewed some witnesses and really do 1060 00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,380 read out the red carpet for us in the 1061 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:18,240 way that you don't really see the Native 1062 00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:21,450 Americans that we can do normally so it 1063 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:24,390 was very interesting well getting back 1064 00:47:29,060 --> 00:47:26,250 out earlier we were talking about the 1065 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:29,070 book that supposedly Hillary Clinton has 1066 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:30,570 in her baggage is blocking on the 1067 00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:32,970 Rockefeller estate and I found the title 1068 00:47:37,820 --> 00:47:35,940 it's called we are we alone and there's 1069 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:37,830 no question mark there and that is by 1070 00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:40,410 Paul Davies so that's the name of the 1071 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:42,150 band i think the subtitle something had 1072 00:47:47,570 --> 00:47:44,370 the societal impact of extraterrestrial 1073 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:47,580 contact is awful yeah well anyway that's 1074 00:47:52,610 --> 00:47:50,490 like that little mystery has i see 1075 00:47:53,810 --> 00:47:52,620 here's the thing so we know that that 1076 00:47:55,610 --> 00:47:53,820 was happening during the first 1077 00:47:57,980 --> 00:47:55,620 administration and it's not like it's a 1078 00:47:59,480 --> 00:47:57,990 big secret right everybody knows it has 1079 00:48:01,310 --> 00:47:59,490 fathered to do any research the 1080 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:01,320 documentation is in a hundred places on 1081 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:03,330 the internet so when bill clinton just 1082 00:48:09,140 --> 00:48:05,970 boldface says well when the second term 1083 00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:09,150 us decided to look into it hehe got is 1084 00:48:13,610 --> 00:48:11,310 you're literally acknowledging sort of 1085 00:48:14,570 --> 00:48:13,620 look to those people who know get your 1086 00:48:17,060 --> 00:48:14,580 talent but you're not telling the truth 1087 00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:17,070 and so you know you really have to kind 1088 00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:18,000 of look at that that's why i've been 1089 00:48:22,820 --> 00:48:19,740 Hansen's work was so valuable on these 1090 00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:22,830 two interviews because he was able to 1091 00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:27,270 use an educated process to read between 1092 00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:28,950 lines and tell us what was really being 1093 00:48:33,830 --> 00:48:31,980 said you know certainly and he preface 1094 00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,840 is it that no it's just his opinion but 1095 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:35,520 it's based on on some pretty good 1096 00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:38,370 foundations then that's exactly what 1097 00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:40,200 happened he said on the surface to give 1098 00:48:45,110 --> 00:48:43,020 us a limited response that you know 1099 00:48:47,060 --> 00:48:45,120 there's lack an laughter and everything 1100 00:48:49,610 --> 00:48:47,070 else but for the people that are really 1101 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:49,620 paying attention they got a big nugget 1102 00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:51,930 from both of these interviews and so 1103 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:53,670 that's kind of how it works and that's 1104 00:48:57,380 --> 00:48:55,170 how disclosure is working and that's why 1105 00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:57,390 I hashtag disclosure and Podesta Street 1106 00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:01,200 was such a big deal and so you know the 1107 00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:04,440 people that are in the position there 1108 00:49:07,830 --> 00:49:06,180 this rate they can't just come out and 1109 00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:07,840 disclose but they can leave 1110 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:10,510 includes and people can say well but now 1111 00:49:14,670 --> 00:49:12,970 that wasn't a clue but if you know let's 1112 00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:14,680 listen for and you know and you know the 1113 00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:18,400 facts then you know they're telling the 1114 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:20,110 people who know what to listen for what 1115 00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:23,890 they need to hear now I wonder Podesta 1116 00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:26,740 if anyone actually I'm sure it happened 1117 00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:29,670 that maybe even as colleagues or someone 1118 00:49:34,050 --> 00:49:32,020 said hey what's up with that you know 1119 00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:34,060 type of thing it'd be interesting to 1120 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:36,790 know you know if anyone's actually 1121 00:49:41,490 --> 00:49:39,490 talked to him about this and I don't 1122 00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:41,500 think that anybody has been you know 1123 00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:44,470 releasing what he said one-on-one about 1124 00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:47,500 it have you heard any bail out there and 1125 00:49:51,060 --> 00:49:48,940 now you know it's interesting there's 1126 00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:51,070 very little and I think that yeah it has 1127 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:53,260 to do with again that this is where this 1128 00:49:57,900 --> 00:49:56,050 process works you know you've got all 1129 00:50:00,300 --> 00:49:57,910 these people clamoring for disclosure 1130 00:50:02,340 --> 00:50:00,310 you've got a government that is yeah 1131 00:50:05,610 --> 00:50:02,350 probably divided on how much we should 1132 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:05,620 be told well the evidence is piled up 1133 00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:08,530 and you've got to do something so you 1134 00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:11,830 take that mid-level guy and you get into 1135 00:50:14,820 --> 00:50:13,390 set making some noise about it look 1136 00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,830 gives you the illusion that you're doing 1137 00:50:17,550 --> 00:50:16,240 something or that you're trying to do 1138 00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:17,560 something or that you're on the side of 1139 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:19,780 people that want to know and again it 1140 00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:21,010 brings the people that want to know a 1141 00:50:24,690 --> 00:50:22,990 little bit to hold onto it a little bit 1142 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:24,700 to look there to a little bit of 1143 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:27,370 acknowledgment and it kind of satisfies 1144 00:50:32,550 --> 00:50:30,310 everybody not obviously not to the point 1145 00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,560 of disclosure but and then you know you 1146 00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:34,720 go a little bit further with that was 1147 00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:36,310 hanging out some of these phases and 1148 00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:38,350 some of these miss truths and some of 1149 00:50:43,950 --> 00:50:41,470 these other actions that mean more than 1150 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:43,960 others than me more to some than others 1151 00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:46,810 and and so yeah it's a very clever way 1152 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:49,300 of playing the game yes so maintaining 1153 00:50:56,430 --> 00:50:53,170 the official Bill of secrecy right right 1154 00:50:58,260 --> 00:50:56,440 so we're on right now with Ron James and 1155 00:51:01,020 --> 00:50:58,270 if someone would like to call in every 1156 00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:01,030 once in a while Ron someone will call in 1157 00:51:08,610 --> 00:51:04,480 and so if you'd like to call in the 1158 00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:08,620 number is 603 967 4030 and if you're 1159 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:10,710 listening live you can jump over to 1160 00:51:15,390 --> 00:51:13,810 podcast UFO calm and right on the 1161 00:51:17,550 --> 00:51:15,400 homepage there you'll see the chat room 1162 00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:17,560 you can jump in and ask our guest a 1163 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:20,950 question so what we do 1164 00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:23,650 run I neglected to tell you about in 1165 00:51:27,329 --> 00:51:25,390 about eight minutes or so we take just a 1166 00:51:28,859 --> 00:51:27,339 quick little music break and you're not 1167 00:51:31,339 --> 00:51:28,869 to go anywhere it's just so I can 1168 00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:31,349 separate the two parts of the show and 1169 00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:34,750 so at the top of the hour I will let you 1170 00:51:42,750 --> 00:51:39,300 know that but continuing on you're in 1171 00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:42,760 you live right near steve bassett don't 1172 00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,849 you out there in California well 1173 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:47,440 actually Steve's in Washington right now 1174 00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:50,170 during the congressional hearings but 1175 00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,510 yeah when he's in California we were 1176 00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:55,119 both in those in the south bay area 1177 00:52:00,569 --> 00:51:57,970 Valerie Hollywood yeah and in the beach 1178 00:52:02,310 --> 00:52:00,579 cities now it seemed to me like that 1179 00:52:05,069 --> 00:52:02,320 wasn't too long ago there was a sighting 1180 00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:05,079 in Southern California do you do you 1181 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:06,609 stay up on that what's going on 1182 00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:10,089 regionally weather so many sightings in 1183 00:52:14,190 --> 00:52:12,790 at these different places and you know 1184 00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:14,200 I'm not the one that grabs my video 1185 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:15,670 camera and goes running every time 1186 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:17,530 there's there's reports of a sighting so 1187 00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:19,510 you know we've got this weird anomaly 1188 00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:22,329 underwater that has been found off of 1189 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:23,740 the coast of Malibu and then we've got 1190 00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:27,450 you know my window that's right out over 1191 00:52:32,579 --> 00:52:30,880 the Catalina area so the very strange 1192 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:32,589 things happening in the sky together or 1193 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:34,690 not it's things that can't be explained 1194 00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:38,170 you know I don't know but yeah there's 1195 00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:39,670 bear sightings everywhere and they're 1196 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:42,430 starting to increase and so like this 1197 00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:43,930 weekend I went and took a look at this 1198 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:46,630 thing this guy does named Robert ding 1199 00:52:51,290 --> 00:52:48,730 and he calls himself to us Oh summoner 1200 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:51,300 and he says that he can go anywhere and 1201 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:54,130 meditate and strange anomalies will 1202 00:52:58,140 --> 00:52:56,650 appear in the sky and so he wrestled 1203 00:52:59,760 --> 00:52:58,150 goats have quite a reputation and so I'm 1204 00:53:02,250 --> 00:52:59,770 going to see for myself this weekend I 1205 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:02,260 was kind of interesting and did you see 1206 00:53:10,589 --> 00:53:08,530 anything anyone phone oh that's I I did 1207 00:53:13,770 --> 00:53:10,599 not see any US open that day I saw out 1208 00:53:15,569 --> 00:53:13,780 of my locker room however I will say 1209 00:53:18,359 --> 00:53:15,579 that some of the videos that he's gotten 1210 00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:18,369 are intriguing but a lot of them are 1211 00:53:22,020 --> 00:53:20,260 obviously something that can be 1212 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:22,030 explained logically but you know it only 1213 00:53:26,579 --> 00:53:23,770 takes those few they can't explain how I 1214 00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:26,589 Project Blue Book so who knows what's 1215 00:53:29,579 --> 00:53:28,329 going on with that there's definitely 1216 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:29,589 things happening in the sky that we 1217 00:53:34,050 --> 00:53:31,810 can't explain be even beyond the USO 1218 00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:34,060 thing you know there's there's the idea 1219 00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,750 that maybe there's 1220 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:36,400 life forms that we haven't discovered 1221 00:53:39,930 --> 00:53:38,290 that live in the atmosphere like rods 1222 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:39,940 you know that have been caught on on 1223 00:53:45,930 --> 00:53:42,610 cameras high-speed cameras and so he 1224 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:45,940 knows what he's really seeing some of 1225 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:48,210 the times when things look like 1226 00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,970 unexplainable objects that prison that 1227 00:53:57,870 --> 00:53:54,240 forever to warrant for the investigation 1228 00:54:01,290 --> 00:53:57,880 well I remember there was a little bit 1229 00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:01,300 of a battle going on between want to say 1230 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:04,270 Jimmy church and Lee Spiegel about that 1231 00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:09,730 Malibu geological thing off the coast of 1232 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:12,640 Malibu and I think that there was some 1233 00:54:20,250 --> 00:54:16,210 research done on that by someone from 1234 00:54:22,350 --> 00:54:20,260 the US Geological Survey that is just a 1235 00:54:25,770 --> 00:54:22,360 rock formation or something have you 1236 00:54:28,260 --> 00:54:25,780 looked into that at all yeah I mean I've 1237 00:54:29,580 --> 00:54:28,270 heard both sides of the story at the end 1238 00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:29,590 of the day until somebody goes down 1239 00:54:34,350 --> 00:54:31,900 there and photographs that we don't know 1240 00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:34,360 it's quite possible but it's just an 1241 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:35,950 anomaly with with the Google Earth 1242 00:54:41,610 --> 00:54:39,130 satellite mapping you know but rock 1243 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:41,620 formations if you go to Peru and you 1244 00:54:45,570 --> 00:54:44,050 look at a rock formation requiring the 1245 00:54:47,820 --> 00:54:45,580 jungle to Guatemala and you look at a 1246 00:54:49,350 --> 00:54:47,830 rock formation it doesn't mean it's not 1247 00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:49,360 something if that's a lot of times it's 1248 00:54:55,950 --> 00:54:54,160 a pyramid covered up so and so until the 1249 00:54:57,390 --> 00:54:55,960 mystery is completely address in the way 1250 00:54:59,310 --> 00:54:57,400 that nobody can debate it anymore it's 1251 00:55:00,450 --> 00:54:59,320 going to be a topic of discussion but 1252 00:55:02,370 --> 00:55:00,460 there's definitely a lot of weird 1253 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:02,380 underwater things happening in this area 1254 00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:06,610 off the coast you know early on I asked 1255 00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:10,000 you about what type of reaction that was 1256 00:55:17,540 --> 00:55:13,380 you got out of when you send all those 1257 00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:17,550 dvds out to you know members of Congress 1258 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:20,230 but someone in the message board wants 1259 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:23,050 to know has anyone actually acknowledged 1260 00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:24,850 that they receive them and watch them 1261 00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,480 didn't happen to know that well I mean 1262 00:55:32,010 --> 00:55:30,640 we are good now we don't know how many 1263 00:55:34,590 --> 00:55:32,020 people have watched them but we know 1264 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:34,600 that we've had some meetings but it's 1265 00:55:39,060 --> 00:55:37,690 the major committees in Washington the 1266 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:39,070 ones that we've targeted for meetings 1267 00:55:42,690 --> 00:55:40,330 because if you can get this thing into a 1268 00:55:44,370 --> 00:55:42,700 committee where they're discussing it 1269 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:44,380 and they have to talk openly about the 1270 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:46,090 possibilities excited hearings and then 1271 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:47,170 you have to explain if they choose not 1272 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:48,490 to do it why they wouldn't 1273 00:55:54,330 --> 00:55:51,010 so yeah we do know we what we know for a 1274 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:54,340 fact is that the dvds or parts of the 1275 00:55:59,609 --> 00:55:57,010 dvds have been viewed by several 1276 00:56:01,260 --> 00:55:59,619 staffers in several offices we don't 1277 00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:01,270 know how many Congress people have 1278 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:02,830 actually taken the time to watch them 1279 00:56:05,730 --> 00:56:04,330 but we do know that you know they're 1280 00:56:07,170 --> 00:56:05,740 making their rounds unless it they 1281 00:56:08,970 --> 00:56:07,180 receive them as been acknowledged to 1282 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:08,980 meetings or have you know that's the 1283 00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:11,530 most exciting thing is that you know 1284 00:56:13,770 --> 00:56:12,670 you're not going to be there is enough 1285 00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:13,780 they're going to talk to you even if 1286 00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:15,640 it's a low-level staffer that they just 1287 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:17,260 sent you they let you into the office 1288 00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:18,730 and they sit down long enough to hear 1289 00:56:23,940 --> 00:56:20,260 what you have to say it's still 1290 00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:23,950 something and so you know that's her 1291 00:56:28,890 --> 00:56:26,140 that's a big deal so yeah they've been 1292 00:56:30,359 --> 00:56:28,900 acknowledged and there's a certain 1293 00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:30,369 amount of attention and the attention is 1294 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:31,990 not ending because but because of the 1295 00:56:37,740 --> 00:56:33,970 Rockefeller initiative and Hillary 1296 00:56:40,109 --> 00:56:37,750 Clinton's presidential bid you know this 1297 00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:40,119 ongoing strategy right now it's to Vegas 1298 00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:41,980 into the limelight make it a question 1299 00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,260 that she has to answer as part of the 1300 00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:46,240 campaign and we think that there's just 1301 00:56:51,570 --> 00:56:48,910 enough opposition to can't just see that 1302 00:56:54,980 --> 00:56:51,580 somebody's gonna bring it up they'll 1303 00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:54,990 probably bring up the email first the 1304 00:57:00,900 --> 00:56:57,810 email know when you're caring about that 1305 00:57:02,370 --> 00:57:00,910 yeah well what would be fun to you that 1306 00:57:04,830 --> 00:57:02,380 you know is in reference to the 1307 00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:04,840 Rockefellers if there you go maybe but 1308 00:57:09,690 --> 00:57:07,150 maybe the email the Podesta saying you 1309 00:57:11,340 --> 00:57:09,700 know this is why we can't disclose to 1310 00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:11,350 you never know but at the end of the day 1311 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:13,900 it's another it's another potential 1312 00:57:18,570 --> 00:57:16,450 issue for somebody who needs some 1313 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:18,580 potential issues regarding acquaintance 1314 00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:20,410 to bring into the mix and so maybe they 1315 00:57:26,070 --> 00:57:22,630 walk right that would be what you call a 1316 00:57:27,570 --> 00:57:26,080 twofer we get that yeah and I know for a 1317 00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:27,580 fact that you know i mean that's that's 1318 00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:29,470 kind of the strategy right now reaching 1319 00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:31,150 out to the republican opposition and 1320 00:57:34,890 --> 00:57:32,230 saying by the way did you know about 1321 00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:34,900 this and i know for a fact that's being 1322 00:57:40,770 --> 00:57:37,750 done yeah so you were there at the 1323 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:40,780 entire time obviously filming during the 1324 00:57:47,810 --> 00:57:44,530 Citizen hearing what do you think and I 1325 00:57:50,310 --> 00:57:47,820 know that some of the people that spoke 1326 00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,320 sort of went a little bit fringy I mean 1327 00:57:54,330 --> 00:57:52,960 I was kind of involved and checking out 1328 00:57:55,859 --> 00:57:54,340 what was going on at the time and all 1329 00:57:58,140 --> 00:57:55,869 that and got a lot of feedback from 1330 00:57:59,749 --> 00:57:58,150 people that were there you know live and 1331 00:58:01,549 --> 00:57:59,759 you know on 1332 00:58:05,689 --> 00:58:01,559 every other day or whatever I'd hear 1333 00:58:08,769 --> 00:58:05,699 from someone but when you heard those 1334 00:58:13,099 --> 00:58:08,779 people speak and then you heard the 1335 00:58:15,769 --> 00:58:13,109 retired congressional people interact 1336 00:58:18,259 --> 00:58:15,779 did you see anyone in particular that 1337 00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:18,269 you would say now that person really has 1338 00:58:23,389 --> 00:58:21,839 taken this seriously you know it's 1339 00:58:26,929 --> 00:58:23,399 interesting because there wasn't a 1340 00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:26,939 single one that did not some interviews 1341 00:58:30,889 --> 00:58:28,380 that I shot that I haven't released yet 1342 00:58:32,569 --> 00:58:30,899 where I actually stood and in spoke to 1343 00:58:35,269 --> 00:58:32,579 every one of them and ask them these 1344 00:58:37,279 --> 00:58:35,279 questions and yeah every one of them 1345 00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,289 walked into this thing either a not 1346 00:58:41,449 --> 00:58:39,359 thinking much about the topic or be not 1347 00:58:44,779 --> 00:58:41,459 knowing what to expect and they left 1348 00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:44,789 saying you know we really have to get to 1349 00:58:49,489 --> 00:58:47,729 the bottom of this and so anyway that's 1350 00:58:52,729 --> 00:58:49,499 a credit to how professionally the via 1351 00:58:55,279 --> 00:58:52,739 that was cool off it looked inside and 1352 00:58:57,559 --> 00:58:55,289 was you know constructed just like a 1353 00:58:59,029 --> 00:58:57,569 will just like a real hearing and yes 1354 00:59:00,739 --> 00:58:59,039 I'd be the first to admit there's a 1355 00:59:03,409 --> 00:59:00,749 couple of people that just went 1356 00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:03,419 completely derailed especially in 1357 00:59:07,759 --> 00:59:05,249 closing statements and you know we don't 1358 00:59:09,919 --> 00:59:07,769 need to mention any names but rather 1359 00:59:11,479 --> 00:59:09,929 since it goes and things that probably 1360 00:59:14,329 --> 00:59:11,489 shouldn't have been said in the way they 1361 00:59:17,409 --> 00:59:14,339 were set but overall you kind of have to 1362 00:59:21,229 --> 00:59:17,419 look at the big picture and it is very 1363 00:59:22,819 --> 00:59:21,239 professional very loops we lost them so 1364 00:59:24,259 --> 00:59:22,829 that's it for the first part of the show 1365 00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:24,269 here if you hang in just a minute we'll 1366 00:59:53,140 --> 00:59:27,569 be right back for our two again with ron 1367 01:00:37,580 --> 00:59:55,580 your call has been forwarded to an 1368 01:00:44,550 --> 01:00:41,130 your call has been forwarded well you 1369 01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:44,560 know this is interesting we probably 1370 01:00:54,180 --> 01:00:49,720 have a dead cell phone and one of the 1371 01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,190 things that dark matter radio network 1372 01:00:59,880 --> 01:00:57,040 producer as pushing is that we never 1373 01:01:06,390 --> 01:00:59,890 have cell phones and this is a pretty 1374 01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:06,400 good argument for that so I I'll keep 1375 01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:08,050 trying him hopefully he'll plug it into 1376 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:10,000 his charger everything will be cool but 1377 01:01:13,860 --> 01:01:12,250 when he sees the number that comes up 1378 01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:13,870 that I'm dialing from he can't call that 1379 01:01:20,190 --> 01:01:16,510 number back it's a because it's a skype 1380 01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,200 number it he will not ring back so I'll 1381 01:01:24,930 --> 01:01:22,480 just keep trying him and for now if 1382 01:01:31,470 --> 01:01:24,940 anyone wants to call in and say hi the 1383 01:01:44,220 --> 01:01:31,480 phone number here is 603 967 4030 let's 1384 01:01:46,110 --> 01:01:44,230 see if he answers you know it could be 1385 01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:46,120 just that the darn government just shut 1386 01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:48,640 him down hey don't know what happened i 1387 01:01:53,070 --> 01:01:50,200 was just saying it's probably the 1388 01:01:58,260 --> 01:01:53,080 government oh yeah it's only it always 1389 01:02:00,090 --> 01:01:58,270 is well so yeah well we were wondering 1390 01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:00,100 if your battery went dead no it wasn't 1391 01:02:05,250 --> 01:02:02,950 that though i charged the rightful got 1392 01:02:07,260 --> 01:02:05,260 on the phone yeah so i thought so it 1393 01:02:09,570 --> 01:02:07,270 just dropped and hopefully that won't 1394 01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:09,580 happen again I know I was really little 1395 01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:12,160 saying something so profound said you 1396 01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:13,990 know I'm sure that the the Angels got 1397 01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:15,280 together and said oh you know what the 1398 01:02:20,310 --> 01:02:17,200 universe isn't ready for this they 1399 01:02:23,820 --> 01:02:20,320 have to have to preempt you well you 1400 01:02:25,260 --> 01:02:23,830 know someone is very insistent I should 1401 01:02:27,930 --> 01:02:25,270 say on the chat room they want to know 1402 01:02:29,250 --> 01:02:27,940 why you won't mention names of the 1403 01:02:34,140 --> 01:02:29,260 people that were a little bit out there 1404 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:34,150 and I had someone on the show I I'm 1405 01:02:39,849 --> 01:02:38,210 going to say it to the chat room that 1406 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:39,859 I had this person on the show but I 1407 01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:42,170 understand she went really out there and 1408 01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:44,990 that's the wonderful Lynn Linda Moulton 1409 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:47,359 Howe I heard that she went a little on 1410 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:50,930 the fringe side during that so I'll be 1411 01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:54,650 the first to admit that and i will tell 1412 01:02:59,230 --> 01:02:55,849 you you know i had to run the show she 1413 01:03:04,030 --> 01:02:59,240 was very gracious very nice and for some 1414 01:03:07,810 --> 01:03:04,040 reason there's tens of thousands of 1415 01:03:10,420 --> 01:03:07,820 listens to that show she has a lot of 1416 01:03:12,790 --> 01:03:10,430 people that follow her that's really 1417 01:03:15,550 --> 01:03:12,800 good it is i think i think that there 1418 01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:15,560 was a time in a place the Citizen 1419 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:17,810 hearing was a time in a place for to 1420 01:03:23,230 --> 01:03:21,170 stick to the facts and not to get out 1421 01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:23,240 there with too much conjecture and not 1422 01:03:28,210 --> 01:03:26,960 to get out there is too much too many 1423 01:03:29,980 --> 01:03:28,220 things that are so far out of the 1424 01:03:34,510 --> 01:03:29,990 mainstream the science can't even begin 1425 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:34,520 to buy or sell and so I think that 1426 01:03:37,900 --> 01:03:36,290 anybody to pay attention a citizen 1427 01:03:39,820 --> 01:03:37,910 hearing knows what happened I'm not 1428 01:03:42,490 --> 01:03:39,830 really interested in dishing on people 1429 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:42,500 and putting my opinion about things that 1430 01:03:46,450 --> 01:03:44,450 people said there was wrong because it's 1431 01:03:48,130 --> 01:03:46,460 our in my place I'm a journalist and I 1432 01:03:51,010 --> 01:03:48,140 shouldn't interject my own viewpoints 1433 01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:51,020 into the stories i show you know that 1434 01:03:55,150 --> 01:03:53,420 being said you know the people who were 1435 01:03:57,250 --> 01:03:55,160 at the hearing people watch the hearing 1436 01:03:58,900 --> 01:03:57,260 they know that you know if somebody 1437 01:04:02,890 --> 01:03:58,910 crossed the line and that should be 1438 01:04:04,210 --> 01:04:02,900 enough I think that the plan you know 1439 01:04:06,190 --> 01:04:04,220 some of the closing statements that a 1440 01:04:08,859 --> 01:04:06,200 little bit off track and I think that 1441 01:04:11,710 --> 01:04:08,869 you know maybe Paul has decided quote 1442 01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:11,720 from the booklet equal a trend was it 1443 01:04:15,790 --> 01:04:13,609 was done on it was going to procreate 1444 01:04:19,150 --> 01:04:15,800 for the time in the platform and I think 1445 01:04:22,210 --> 01:04:19,160 anytime anybody jumped in with too much 1446 01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:22,220 conjecture and not enough science its 1447 01:04:26,620 --> 01:04:25,280 kind of derailed what the hearings were 1448 01:04:29,170 --> 01:04:26,630 supposed to be about it was about an 1449 01:04:30,940 --> 01:04:29,180 investigation of the facts and so yeah 1450 01:04:34,570 --> 01:04:30,950 that's that's what I thought about yeah 1451 01:04:38,290 --> 01:04:34,580 sure and Paul Hellyer had such an 1452 01:04:40,690 --> 01:04:38,300 advantage with his background of making 1453 01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:40,700 some you know some some things really 1454 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:43,520 happen in that whole situation and yeah 1455 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:45,290 you know he's actually I've been 1456 01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:46,970 communicating with him now for a year 1457 01:04:51,579 --> 01:04:49,839 and a half and I want him on the show 1458 01:04:55,749 --> 01:04:51,589 regardless of 1459 01:04:57,819 --> 01:04:55,759 how out there he's you know gone I mean 1460 01:05:00,729 --> 01:04:57,829 I'll tell you something the stuff that 1461 01:05:03,069 --> 01:05:00,739 he said okay I think that the you know 1462 01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:03,079 it was pretty valid you know but I just 1463 01:05:07,150 --> 01:05:04,729 don't think that it was the place in the 1464 01:05:10,959 --> 01:05:07,160 platform to bring it to the forefront 1465 01:05:16,359 --> 01:05:10,969 ferret oh goody it just wasn't the place 1466 01:05:18,670 --> 01:05:16,369 okay to open up those doors mm-hmm I was 1467 01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:18,680 really I was really glad about you 1468 01:05:23,289 --> 01:05:20,329 mentioned earlier about John Burroughs 1469 01:05:26,229 --> 01:05:23,299 and Penniston both of their you know 1470 01:05:29,739 --> 01:05:26,239 medical records looked into because of 1471 01:05:32,469 --> 01:05:29,749 that I think you know if it's true that 1472 01:05:36,249 --> 01:05:32,479 they are suffering from whatever 1473 01:05:38,049 --> 01:05:36,259 radiation or whatever that happened it 1474 01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:38,059 may be just something other than that 1475 01:05:40,989 --> 01:05:39,529 but if it's true that that's what 1476 01:05:44,979 --> 01:05:40,999 they're suffering from you know they 1477 01:05:48,489 --> 01:05:44,989 should be taken care of instead of just 1478 01:05:51,329 --> 01:05:48,499 ignored so I was glad to have that 1479 01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:51,339 happen I did spoke I did speak with him 1480 01:05:56,799 --> 01:05:54,460 John Burroughs on the show shortly after 1481 01:05:59,709 --> 01:05:56,809 they acknowledge that and started 1482 01:06:01,180 --> 01:05:59,719 working on it and hopefully you know 1483 01:06:03,249 --> 01:06:01,190 they both have some really bad health 1484 01:06:06,249 --> 01:06:03,259 problems and hopefully the only taken 1485 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:06,259 care of yeah and when I think with you I 1486 01:06:10,569 --> 01:06:08,450 honestly think that the urging of the ex 1487 01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:10,579 Congress people have that exposure from 1488 01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:11,839 the Citizen hearing was very 1489 01:06:17,769 --> 01:06:14,809 instrumental in getting cold momentum I 1490 01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:17,779 was adding all of that and now it's very 1491 01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:19,609 interesting molarity back to so much as 1492 01:06:24,849 --> 01:06:22,160 I love you and Sarah no paperwork you 1493 01:06:26,650 --> 01:06:24,859 know that's that's very telling you no 1494 01:06:28,930 --> 01:06:26,660 unidentified aerial phenomenon and 1495 01:06:31,690 --> 01:06:28,940 things that that nature that will refer 1496 01:06:34,170 --> 01:06:31,700 to he wants to so it's just another 1497 01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:34,180 feather in the slow cap of the 1498 01:06:42,849 --> 01:06:39,529 disclosure movement now some was just 1499 01:06:45,489 --> 01:06:42,859 asking on the message board wondering 1500 01:06:47,410 --> 01:06:45,499 why it wasn't available the just the 1501 01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:47,420 Citizen hearing wasn't available for 1502 01:06:53,380 --> 01:06:50,569 free on YouTube like a former one back 1503 01:06:56,229 --> 01:06:53,390 in two thousand one and I know that 1504 01:06:59,170 --> 01:06:56,239 there was someone's trying to recoup 1505 01:07:00,249 --> 01:06:59,180 some money that was spent or something 1506 01:07:02,410 --> 01:07:00,259 like that I've heard these type of 1507 01:07:03,350 --> 01:07:02,420 things do you know anything about any of 1508 01:07:08,690 --> 01:07:03,360 that 1509 01:07:12,260 --> 01:07:08,700 significant amount of money was invested 1510 01:07:14,990 --> 01:07:12,270 in Citizen hearing and you know let me 1511 01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:15,000 just say that and I'm not offend some 1512 01:07:20,180 --> 01:07:16,830 people right now that it's kind of gets 1513 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:20,190 my goat I don't get where people think 1514 01:07:25,070 --> 01:07:23,250 that some makers especially should be 1515 01:07:27,260 --> 01:07:25,080 obligated to go out and work their butts 1516 01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:27,270 off so that they can get their work away 1517 01:07:32,420 --> 01:07:29,640 for free to people who somehow think 1518 01:07:33,890 --> 01:07:32,430 that they deserve it if the sort of a 1519 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:33,900 pair of the scores would cost almost a 1520 01:07:37,310 --> 01:07:35,850 million dollars to produce now that's 1521 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:37,320 great and we would love to give it away 1522 01:07:41,210 --> 01:07:38,970 for you to the entire planet but the 1523 01:07:42,860 --> 01:07:41,220 fact of the matter is is that we keep 1524 01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:42,870 that money you can't keep doing this 1525 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:46,740 work and so that person you know you 1526 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:48,690 don't go to your job every day and work 1527 01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,930 for free and why should we okay we put a 1528 01:07:56,540 --> 01:07:53,760 lot of energy into that we put a lot of 1529 01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:56,550 money into it and frankly the people out 1530 01:07:59,660 --> 01:07:58,140 there that want to see disclose their 1531 01:08:02,270 --> 01:07:59,670 happen I'll ask you this movement 1532 01:08:05,570 --> 01:08:02,280 survive I want to see people at myself 1533 01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:05,580 and Ruben and Jeremy and seeds are be 1534 01:08:10,670 --> 01:08:07,980 able to continue doing this work okay 1535 01:08:13,100 --> 01:08:10,680 wake up call dude we deserve to make a 1536 01:08:14,810 --> 01:08:13,110 living too and so why should we take the 1537 01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:14,820 fruits of our labors and put them on 1538 01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:17,370 YouTube for free you're not taking what 1539 01:08:21,770 --> 01:08:19,230 you do for a living in giving it away 1540 01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:21,780 going home without a paycheck so shame 1541 01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:24,540 on you for asking the question that's 1542 01:08:27,620 --> 01:08:25,890 what I think about that I guess so 1543 01:08:30,380 --> 01:08:27,630 annoyed by people who think that as a 1544 01:08:32,270 --> 01:08:30,390 filmmaker I have some obligation to work 1545 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:32,280 my ass off so that you couldn't steal my 1546 01:08:39,260 --> 01:08:34,650 stuff on YouTube it really takes me off 1547 01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:39,270 sorry that ball no that's uh that's okay 1548 01:08:45,830 --> 01:08:43,190 you got fired up that's that's ok I 1549 01:08:47,540 --> 01:08:45,840 understand that and let me just tell you 1550 01:08:49,630 --> 01:08:47,550 you know I started charging for the 1551 01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:49,640 second hour of the podcast here because 1552 01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:52,140 it was costing me money you know I had 1553 01:08:57,980 --> 01:08:55,290 to get a dedicated server i dunno i do 1554 01:09:00,860 --> 01:08:57,990 pay for you know other expenses 1555 01:09:03,170 --> 01:09:00,870 constantly on a monthly basis so but 1556 01:09:05,270 --> 01:09:03,180 here here's the issue with any of this 1557 01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:05,280 stuff if you ask me my opinion if you 1558 01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:08,400 want to hear it or not is that the 1559 01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:11,880 problem is is that there's so much out 1560 01:09:17,090 --> 01:09:16,050 there that is free and in so many ways 1561 01:09:22,190 --> 01:09:17,100 to get it whether it 1562 01:09:25,490 --> 01:09:22,200 someone ripping torrents or or you know 1563 01:09:28,220 --> 01:09:25,500 all the way back to Napster no it's just 1564 01:09:31,370 --> 01:09:28,230 that there's so many ways of getting 1565 01:09:34,670 --> 01:09:31,380 free material out there that it's a it's 1566 01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:34,680 a paradise for a person that doesn't 1567 01:09:41,210 --> 01:09:37,500 matter yeah I understand that it's not 1568 01:09:44,990 --> 01:09:41,220 it is it's fever if I you who just 1569 01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:45,000 ripped my DVD off of youtube or whipped 1570 01:09:49,010 --> 01:09:46,980 it out to DVD and posted it to YouTube 1571 01:09:50,780 --> 01:09:49,020 how about I come to your house tonight i 1572 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:50,790 work till you leave and I go in and I go 1573 01:09:54,230 --> 01:09:52,410 through your last your inbox nights a 1574 01:09:57,500 --> 01:09:54,240 lot of stuff so that's what you're doing 1575 01:09:59,240 --> 01:09:57,510 to me not only is it just as your legal 1576 01:10:01,370 --> 01:09:59,250 Justin kids get away with it because 1577 01:10:02,900 --> 01:10:01,380 it's hard to catch you doesn't mean 1578 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:02,910 you're not a criminal it doesn't mean 1579 01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:04,530 you're not a dishonest person and it 1580 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:05,940 doesn't mean that your integrity is in 1581 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:07,890 the toilet so everything that does this 1582 01:10:15,740 --> 01:10:10,530 stuff is participating in a criminal act 1583 01:10:17,570 --> 01:10:15,750 and shame on all of you okay well we 1584 01:10:20,030 --> 01:10:17,580 don't even know if any of our listeners 1585 01:10:22,430 --> 01:10:20,040 actually do any of that stuff so we all 1586 01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,440 the guys who wants to know how come my 1587 01:10:26,620 --> 01:10:24,960 work isn't available for free I would 1588 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:26,630 like to invite him to come mow my lawn 1589 01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:29,850 because if I'm given all my stuff away I 1590 01:10:36,650 --> 01:10:33,780 can't afford to pay my gardener well to 1591 01:10:41,390 --> 01:10:36,660 be to be fair it was it was a I think it 1592 01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:41,400 was a question he was just asking I know 1593 01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:43,500 because he innocently indicative of the 1594 01:10:49,730 --> 01:10:47,280 mentality of the public that that people 1595 01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:49,740 actually scented it is even gotten so 1596 01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:53,910 bad that now people think that just as a 1597 01:10:59,390 --> 01:10:56,490 given if I go and I make a movie I 1598 01:11:01,310 --> 01:10:59,400 should just give it to you and and and 1599 01:11:03,980 --> 01:11:01,320 and you know if I can't afford to make 1600 01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:03,990 another movie or I had to mortgage my 1601 01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,370 house and I don't get it back because 1602 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:07,440 I'm not making any money maybe I just 1603 01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:10,290 made nobody cares why do a different set 1604 01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:12,480 of rules apply to us as media careers 1605 01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:14,760 then apply to anybody else and he's very 1606 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:17,520 same people wouldn't dream of going to 1607 01:11:22,340 --> 01:11:19,130 work for a day and not getting carried 1608 01:11:24,140 --> 01:11:22,350 so if all it does is it points to a 1609 01:11:26,210 --> 01:11:24,150 dysfunctional thing that's happening in 1610 01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:26,220 our society and I can't turn it around 1611 01:11:30,710 --> 01:11:28,590 right now but that's why I've all TV is 1612 01:11:32,810 --> 01:11:30,720 paid for viewers to Christian basics you 1613 01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:32,820 material help support our ability to 1614 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:36,120 make it I mean it's it's perfectly 1615 01:11:41,150 --> 01:11:39,330 sensible if you go to a restaurant to 1616 01:11:43,310 --> 01:11:41,160 eat food you understand that you need to 1617 01:11:45,620 --> 01:11:43,320 pay for the whole if you want to enjoy 1618 01:11:47,690 --> 01:11:45,630 stuff that is made with no advertising 1619 01:11:49,670 --> 01:11:47,700 and if you have the fun Lakers to be 1620 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:49,680 able to continue to do what they do then 1621 01:11:54,490 --> 01:11:51,330 you have to be willing to support it and 1622 01:11:58,850 --> 01:11:54,500 I don't know how the perception of 1623 01:12:02,000 --> 01:11:58,860 people got so twisted but now it's like 1624 01:12:04,010 --> 01:12:02,010 you know you can't go to a bank and 1625 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:04,020 robbed the bank but the same people who 1626 01:12:07,010 --> 01:12:05,370 would never rob a bank because it's 1627 01:12:08,990 --> 01:12:07,020 wrong and it's illegal they'll have no 1628 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:09,000 problem stealing a song or stealing a 1629 01:12:13,130 --> 01:12:11,010 video or watching something on YouTube 1630 01:12:16,340 --> 01:12:13,140 knowing that they were thought the 1631 01:12:20,780 --> 01:12:16,350 concept created and put it up well it's 1632 01:12:23,870 --> 01:12:20,790 um it's a big issue I think part of the 1633 01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:23,880 movement has to do with I mean I I only 1634 01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:27,810 recently started charging you know but 1635 01:12:32,150 --> 01:12:30,780 i've had some generous people help me 1636 01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:32,160 out one of them is actually in the chat 1637 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:36,060 room right now coupled them actually so 1638 01:12:41,290 --> 01:12:39,570 that the deal is um you know I I know 1639 01:12:43,850 --> 01:12:41,300 but if you're a waiter in a restaurant 1640 01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,860 should you be expected so work in that 1641 01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:45,600 restaurant for free hoping that one or 1642 01:12:49,940 --> 01:12:46,800 two people are going to give you a big 1643 01:12:52,220 --> 01:12:49,950 tip no my why does that apply to us but 1644 01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:52,230 my point my point that I was trying to 1645 01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:55,650 make is I did this totally for the love 1646 01:13:00,350 --> 01:12:58,290 of doing it and when it started costing 1647 01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,360 me money that's I'm not looking to make 1648 01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:02,400 money on this particular podcast and I'm 1649 01:13:06,770 --> 01:13:04,110 not comparing it to your movies or your 1650 01:13:08,690 --> 01:13:06,780 film or anything like that because that 1651 01:13:10,910 --> 01:13:08,700 is something you are doing as an 1652 01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:10,920 occupation I this is not my primary 1653 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:15,450 occupation and well so yeah it is or it 1654 01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:17,850 is our primary occupation and the people 1655 01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:19,560 that made the circuit Citizen hearing on 1656 01:13:23,210 --> 01:13:21,540 disclosure it blew me away and we 1657 01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:23,220 actually got people complaining that 1658 01:13:28,850 --> 01:13:27,120 they couldn't access the go they 1659 01:13:30,530 --> 01:13:28,860 couldn't download from the live stream 1660 01:13:33,290 --> 01:13:30,540 so they could post it on youtube I mean 1661 01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,300 it just really blew me away we only 1662 01:13:37,220 --> 01:13:35,040 charge three dollars to watch the entire 1663 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:37,230 week testimony we had people complaining 1664 01:13:42,980 --> 01:13:40,290 about that and you know it's just like i 1665 01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:42,990 beez don't get it but when I whenever I 1666 01:13:45,950 --> 01:13:44,610 get into this debate 1667 01:13:48,879 --> 01:13:45,960 people and you can tell I'm a little 1668 01:13:51,770 --> 01:13:48,889 charge stuff about it because this it's 1669 01:13:54,609 --> 01:13:51,780 anybody out there that's watching the 1670 01:13:56,990 --> 01:13:54,619 anything that they didn't pay for the 1671 01:13:58,820 --> 01:13:57,000 content creator is trying to get pay for 1672 01:14:00,320 --> 01:13:58,830 any one of you are doing that now say 1673 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:00,330 about how you feel and how fired up 1674 01:14:04,939 --> 01:14:03,090 cutie if a bunch of filmmakers waiting 1675 01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:04,949 outside your house until you left and 1676 01:14:09,229 --> 01:14:07,260 then that mean sorry TV it's the same 1677 01:14:10,959 --> 01:14:09,239 thing that's what you're doing to us if 1678 01:14:14,060 --> 01:14:10,969 you're just a little tired of it that 1679 01:14:16,490 --> 01:14:14,070 it's terrible and I don't really like to 1680 01:14:19,129 --> 01:14:16,500 get into a debate about it on radio show 1681 01:14:21,470 --> 01:14:19,139 is BB brought it up and the fact of the 1682 01:14:23,959 --> 01:14:21,480 matter is it just has to stop the good 1683 01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:23,969 public needs to understand that media 1684 01:14:28,609 --> 01:14:27,060 just because you can get it doesn't mean 1685 01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,619 you should and just because you can get 1686 01:14:32,959 --> 01:14:30,239 away still like something doesn't mean 1687 01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:32,969 it's not still so you know you beat all 1688 01:14:35,660 --> 01:14:34,110 these people that are upstanding 1689 01:14:37,729 --> 01:14:35,670 church-going folks that they have no 1690 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:37,739 problem pirating software for 1691 01:14:43,340 --> 01:14:40,650 downloading a movie that they know 1692 01:14:45,169 --> 01:14:43,350 they're downloading illegally so other 1693 01:14:50,570 --> 01:14:45,179 society who have take a look at that 1694 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:50,580 okay so let's move on to be a yep let's 1695 01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,090 um I want to ask you what is what's in 1696 01:14:58,609 --> 01:14:56,159 the future what are things that you're 1697 01:15:00,879 --> 01:14:58,619 looking to do you know mostly I'm want 1698 01:15:03,740 --> 01:15:00,889 to stay a course on the UFO topic but 1699 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:03,750 are you involved in something now or 1700 01:15:08,689 --> 01:15:07,050 have something planned yeah I mean that 1701 01:15:11,540 --> 01:15:08,699 United stream may or may not know I'm ah 1702 01:15:13,490 --> 01:15:11,550 I'm supervising I with special effects 1703 01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:13,500 sequences for the reenactments for the 1704 01:15:20,780 --> 01:15:17,880 Travis loading dock which is a the 1705 01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,790 second version 2.0 that movies coming 1706 01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:22,080 out in the one but it's going to be very 1707 01:15:26,570 --> 01:15:23,880 very path with some really cool stuff 1708 01:15:29,419 --> 01:15:26,580 and when I show bigger questions I'm 1709 01:15:31,820 --> 01:15:29,429 constantly bad enough they just added a 1710 01:15:33,379 --> 01:15:31,830 spaceship set and we're going to be 1711 01:15:35,689 --> 01:15:33,389 doing some really fun stuff that's 1712 01:15:37,970 --> 01:15:35,699 taking the second to sell out of the 1713 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:37,980 studio and having a little imagination 1714 01:15:43,370 --> 01:15:41,010 and the sci-fi so that's it and we're 1715 01:15:46,820 --> 01:15:43,380 really exploring how science is bringing 1716 01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:46,830 us closer to extending the unexplainable 1717 01:15:53,959 --> 01:15:49,560 and it's a really encouraging place to 1718 01:15:55,850 --> 01:15:53,969 be because for instance you know NASA is 1719 01:15:58,370 --> 01:15:55,860 not saying hey you know maybe what tribe 1720 01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:58,380 is possible answer years ago 20th day 1721 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:00,239 like oh that's a pipe dream so that's 1722 01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:02,610 just a basic example but there's so many 1723 01:16:06,169 --> 01:16:04,440 things where scientific theories that we 1724 01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:06,179 didn't have five and tenants a few years 1725 01:16:11,419 --> 01:16:09,179 ago are popping up but they're also 1726 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:11,429 giving us potential answers to a whole 1727 01:16:17,660 --> 01:16:14,130 bunch of things we consider paranormal 1728 01:16:19,970 --> 01:16:17,670 today and I've had this sense that as a 1729 01:16:23,090 --> 01:16:19,980 society until we can get science 1730 01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:23,100 spirituality and mysterious phenomenon 1731 01:16:27,979 --> 01:16:26,250 on the same page we're largely in a 1732 01:16:29,810 --> 01:16:27,989 dysfunctional place because we've got 1733 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:29,820 three different factions about of our 1734 01:16:35,090 --> 01:16:32,130 civilization basically ignoring the 1735 01:16:37,340 --> 01:16:35,100 other and syrups like different make any 1736 01:16:38,770 --> 01:16:37,350 sense and until there's other entries 1737 01:16:42,140 --> 01:16:38,780 you till you can get on the same page 1738 01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:42,150 it's actually about different ways of 1739 01:16:46,220 --> 01:16:44,400 looking at things then we're not really 1740 01:16:49,129 --> 01:16:46,230 able to move forward as a cohesive 1741 01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:49,139 species so to me the choosing of science 1742 01:16:55,970 --> 01:16:51,900 spirituality and unexplained phenomena 1743 01:16:57,709 --> 01:16:55,980 are you know one of the most important 1744 01:16:59,439 --> 01:16:57,719 things that a mediator should be showed 1745 01:17:03,350 --> 01:16:59,449 the bottom so that's what I'm doing now 1746 01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:03,360 I saw something on YouTube and it was 1747 01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:08,250 free that it showed your what is it 1748 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:09,840 called the big question or what does 1749 01:17:15,620 --> 01:17:12,090 that call it the show a bigger question 1750 01:17:18,649 --> 01:17:15,630 a bigger question and I did see that's 1751 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:18,659 quite a studio you have there there's a 1752 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:22,170 lot of that green screen or you will see 1753 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:26,010 you Wow okay yeah and yeah you're not 1754 01:17:29,419 --> 01:17:27,810 psychic if I'm not putting episode of my 1755 01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:29,429 show on YouTube for food that's great 1756 01:17:34,669 --> 01:17:31,920 but that doesn't mean that I want 1757 01:17:35,870 --> 01:17:34,679 somebody else pirating it prior pirating 1758 01:17:38,419 --> 01:17:35,880 all the other episodes at my website 1759 01:17:40,490 --> 01:17:38,429 including enough for free I sure I share 1760 01:17:44,060 --> 01:17:40,500 a lot of that stuff for free but yeah I 1761 01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:44,070 have a whole studio that I sure somebody 1762 01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:45,840 else who has a tripod in square foot 1763 01:17:52,490 --> 01:17:48,690 facility we shoot the original shows 1764 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:52,500 here and gone and breakfast is expanding 1765 01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:54,570 one more sometime in process on nine 1766 01:17:59,149 --> 01:17:56,489 different regional shows covering at the 1767 01:18:02,030 --> 01:17:59,159 topics from Fukushima radiation all the 1768 01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:02,040 way to alternative agriculture how to 1769 01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:05,340 sites that's the GMO issue by producing 1770 01:18:09,770 --> 01:18:08,400 world truth and so you know there's a 1771 01:18:12,170 --> 01:18:09,780 lot of different topics that I can't 1772 01:18:15,650 --> 01:18:12,180 appeal to everybody 1773 01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:15,660 that were putting them on the channel do 1774 01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:17,790 you have a fairly easy time getting 1775 01:18:24,230 --> 01:18:22,500 guests for that I mean you know I people 1776 01:18:25,970 --> 01:18:24,240 have to come to the studio so sighs I 1777 01:18:28,250 --> 01:18:25,980 can call them on the phone so we don't 1778 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:28,260 adhere to a fixed schedule but so far 1779 01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:30,330 just recently I had sound reasoning 1780 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:32,730 which was like God the behavior shows i 1781 01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:35,010 was talking about how you guys inspired 1782 01:18:38,690 --> 01:18:37,410 me early off if you were charred me 20 1783 01:18:40,220 --> 01:18:38,700 years ago well you know one day you're 1784 01:18:42,140 --> 01:18:40,230 going to be making movies with that guy 1785 01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:42,150 neck broken that guy Stanton Friedman 1786 01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:45,840 and I would have been like wow no way 1787 01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:49,290 but now I do nan said it's pretty cool 1788 01:18:55,790 --> 01:18:52,320 yeah I said that adventure BIA and that 1789 01:18:58,760 --> 01:18:55,800 had nassim haramein in just recently had 1790 01:19:01,220 --> 01:18:58,770 great interview about the paranormal and 1791 01:19:04,700 --> 01:19:01,230 quantum physics just have rosemary on 1792 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:04,710 diary in part David's the producer 1793 01:19:10,130 --> 01:19:07,530 Roswell was in just recently and so yeah 1794 01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:10,140 we had a pretty good do to people coming 1795 01:19:17,690 --> 01:19:13,920 through yeah I always enjoy seeing 1796 01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:17,700 Stanton Friedman he is just such an 1797 01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,190 approachable man you know you you would 1798 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:22,800 think he almost wouldn't be but he's 1799 01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:24,570 very approachable run it what a nice 1800 01:19:30,140 --> 01:19:28,290 gentleman he is he were raving he wanted 1801 01:19:32,060 --> 01:19:30,150 a thirty one of the finest work even if 1802 01:19:35,870 --> 01:19:32,070 you have the sciences the scientists who 1803 01:19:38,990 --> 01:19:35,880 do have seen enough to know that there's 1804 01:19:40,910 --> 01:19:39,000 something going on and yeah it was just 1805 01:19:43,670 --> 01:19:40,920 a rural area happen up here I work with 1806 01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:43,680 them on top yourself and to have him 1807 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:46,770 that likes to do was to set an intercept 1808 01:19:49,820 --> 01:19:48,330 people meeting the president would be 1809 01:19:52,460 --> 01:19:49,830 kind of would be a big deal for me 1810 01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:52,470 having Stanton come to my studio G show 1811 01:19:59,420 --> 01:19:56,880 he was like this amazing gratifying yeah 1812 01:20:02,960 --> 01:19:59,430 he says he says crew things kind of 1813 01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:02,970 repetitive but I never get tired of 1814 01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:08,310 hearing him he's a great guy and let's 1815 01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:09,960 talk a little bit about you know at 1816 01:20:14,210 --> 01:20:11,340 first first of all I was going to have 1817 01:20:18,710 --> 01:20:14,220 you as a third guest on a few weeks ago 1818 01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:18,720 when I had Jennifer Stein on talking 1819 01:20:24,530 --> 01:20:21,450 about the Travis Wall new video getting 1820 01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:24,540 a little bit of feedback rondo uence 1821 01:20:31,580 --> 01:20:25,920 you're not on speakerphone 1822 01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:31,590 you know yeah ok so anyway can you 1823 01:20:36,050 --> 01:20:34,590 explain you said you did some effects or 1824 01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:36,060 some type of editing or what would it 1825 01:20:40,430 --> 01:20:38,130 what is your mail we've got we've gotten 1826 01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:40,440 in after the first additionally and we 1827 01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:42,960 hired actors we have shot complete 1828 01:20:47,650 --> 01:20:44,610 reenactment of everything that happened 1829 01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:47,660 to Travis off the inside of craft and 1830 01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:51,330 you know it's all go you know there's 1831 01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,860 the movies and everything else forever 1832 01:20:57,979 --> 01:20:54,719 all right now is that if you like the 1833 01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:57,989 most elaborate ooh a napkin sequences 1834 01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,000 that have been done and so it's going to 1835 01:21:05,570 --> 01:21:02,400 be part of the second version of the new 1836 01:21:09,169 --> 01:21:05,580 release it's very exciting yeah yeah 1837 01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:09,179 I've talked to him I don't know I was 1838 01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,449 out in Phoenix of last februari and I 1839 01:21:16,700 --> 01:21:14,880 said what about you know another fire in 1840 01:21:18,500 --> 01:21:16,710 the sky is that you know is that do you 1841 01:21:20,540 --> 01:21:18,510 think that'll ever happened he he thinks 1842 01:21:22,820 --> 01:21:20,550 it may happen you know and in his 1843 01:21:24,890 --> 01:21:22,830 lifetime will they do a remake and if it 1844 01:21:27,169 --> 01:21:24,900 does you know he really wants to a 1845 01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:27,179 little more input that show is yeah 1846 01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,610 watched quite a bit actually yeah you 1847 01:21:32,689 --> 01:21:31,199 know it's no secret that there's a lot 1848 01:21:34,820 --> 01:21:32,699 about that movie in the process of 1849 01:21:39,260 --> 01:21:34,830 making a movie that didn't sit well with 1850 01:21:41,540 --> 01:21:39,270 Travis and um I've been very aware of 1851 01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:41,550 keeping him included in this process as 1852 01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:44,940 we do these are these shots you know 1853 01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:47,489 he's cute didn't didn't was going to put 1854 01:21:51,229 --> 01:21:49,290 out what works what doesn't work and so 1855 01:21:53,630 --> 01:21:51,239 we really want to make the reenactment 1856 01:21:55,850 --> 01:21:53,640 that I joke about people I say you know 1857 01:21:57,620 --> 01:21:55,860 this Travis watches this and does not 1858 01:22:00,590 --> 01:21:57,630 get creeped out and I have sailed as a 1859 01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:00,600 filmmaker to accomplish my goal yeah 1860 01:22:08,570 --> 01:22:04,320 yeah you know because the part of that 1861 01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:08,580 whole experience that is so amazing to 1862 01:22:14,689 --> 01:22:11,100 me as you know when he when he woke up 1863 01:22:16,820 --> 01:22:14,699 on board whatever it was and you know 1864 01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,830 the beings and all that out of that part 1865 01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,719 is chilling especially when you're 1866 01:22:23,620 --> 01:22:21,120 talking to him face-to-face and he's 1867 01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:23,630 telling telling the story you know I 1868 01:22:29,900 --> 01:22:26,310 there's no BS meter going off when I 1869 01:22:31,939 --> 01:22:29,910 talked to Travis know and yell I wasn't 1870 01:22:34,580 --> 01:22:31,949 as intimately familiar with the story as 1871 01:22:37,130 --> 01:22:34,590 I am now and one of the things that 1872 01:22:39,770 --> 01:22:37,140 really strikes me about Travis's story 1873 01:22:42,649 --> 01:22:39,780 is that he is talking about 1874 01:22:44,899 --> 01:22:42,659 you know races and creatures and beings 1875 01:22:48,609 --> 01:22:44,909 that you know people back then what were 1876 01:22:51,410 --> 01:22:48,619 we talking about um but now you know the 1877 01:22:53,299 --> 01:22:51,420 reports of these encounters is grown 1878 01:22:54,740 --> 01:22:53,309 exponentially and they're asking to 1879 01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,750 collaborate what he was saying way back 1880 01:22:59,000 --> 01:22:56,639 then I mean all the way down to the 1881 01:23:01,310 --> 01:22:59,010 humanoids to be the creatures that were 1882 01:23:03,020 --> 01:23:01,320 getting the grey aliens and the 1883 01:23:06,049 --> 01:23:03,030 descriptions of the crafts and the 1884 01:23:09,529 --> 01:23:06,059 things that he saw um like filet yeah he 1885 01:23:11,930 --> 01:23:09,539 made all that up but the truth is to me 1886 01:23:13,819 --> 01:23:11,940 there are so many more stories about 1887 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:13,829 this stuff awful in different ways that 1888 01:23:18,260 --> 01:23:17,010 having these unifying threads but I'm 1889 01:23:20,540 --> 01:23:18,270 told you that there's something to it 1890 01:23:23,450 --> 01:23:20,550 and use all the first ones to bring 1891 01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:23,460 these these images into into the 1892 01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:25,860 collective consciousness and so you know 1893 01:23:29,540 --> 01:23:27,690 that plus the only haven't gotten in 1894 01:23:33,799 --> 01:23:29,550 know Travis I I did it this really 1895 01:23:35,899 --> 01:23:33,809 happened it's it's a heck of a soil it 1896 01:23:39,799 --> 01:23:35,909 really is and no one of them we brought 1897 01:23:41,660 --> 01:23:39,809 up earlier talking about is we talked 1898 01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:41,670 about earlier is the Rendlesham forest a 1899 01:23:45,529 --> 01:23:43,380 little bit about that we touched on that 1900 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:45,539 I should say and to me that's another 1901 01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:49,530 one that is just an amazing story and 1902 01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:53,730 the absolute most convoluted story of 1903 01:23:58,549 --> 01:23:56,130 anything I think there is out there in 1904 01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,559 other words there's a lot of he said 1905 01:24:03,950 --> 01:24:00,480 that no he didn't and you know that 1906 01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:03,960 going on constantly and a bit of a riff 1907 01:24:11,359 --> 01:24:06,480 here and there and but I still think 1908 01:24:12,979 --> 01:24:11,369 it's a real solid a solid case yeah 1909 01:24:16,220 --> 01:24:12,989 absolutely and you know the fact that 1910 01:24:18,260 --> 01:24:16,230 it's almost like if there's nothing to 1911 01:24:21,919 --> 01:24:18,270 it then why are the color of while the 1912 01:24:23,959 --> 01:24:21,929 obvious color help about the efforts to 1913 01:24:26,750 --> 01:24:23,969 keep it covered up and all the 1914 01:24:28,819 --> 01:24:26,760 disappearing from and the discrepancies 1915 01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,829 and the drugs and I mean it's just like 1916 01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:30,719 it's almost like saying well nothing 1917 01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:32,610 happened and that's why balasore get 1918 01:24:37,069 --> 01:24:34,050 make such a big deal out of it it makes 1919 01:24:39,049 --> 01:24:37,079 no sense the military the government 1920 01:24:40,669 --> 01:24:39,059 people are keeping these secrets they do 1921 01:24:43,129 --> 01:24:40,679 this to themselves all the time and you 1922 01:24:45,229 --> 01:24:43,139 have to wonder are they really trying 1923 01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:45,239 are they so inept that they think we're 1924 01:24:50,029 --> 01:24:47,130 going to believe that Roswell is passed 1925 01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:50,039 on these or are they just in a way 1926 01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:51,960 giving up saying well nobody's this too 1927 01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:53,280 but if you tell on this 1928 01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:56,159 no line and then there that the stories 1929 01:25:00,109 --> 01:24:57,840 out there have juice too but that's the 1930 01:25:04,100 --> 01:25:00,119 best give you that it's almost like are 1931 01:25:05,620 --> 01:25:04,110 they I say at the end of one of my clips 1932 01:25:08,060 --> 01:25:05,630 that are in the bigger question show 1933 01:25:10,339 --> 01:25:08,070 could it be that they were getting 1934 01:25:14,299 --> 01:25:10,349 disclosure by the velocity of the lies 1935 01:25:15,979 --> 01:25:14,309 and it's a question of control well I'm 1936 01:25:17,839 --> 01:25:15,989 going to tell a little bit behind the 1937 01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:17,849 fourth wall here to the listener out 1938 01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:21,449 there I think it was about them maybe 1939 01:25:28,729 --> 01:25:25,320 last november or october i mentioned on 1940 01:25:31,870 --> 01:25:28,739 line briefly when i had someone on him 1941 01:25:34,879 --> 01:25:31,880 trying to remember the guests that i met 1942 01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:34,889 Charles halt down in North Carolina and 1943 01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:38,400 in the general conversation he admitted 1944 01:25:44,180 --> 01:25:42,000 that he was also drugged and Robert 1945 01:25:45,919 --> 01:25:44,190 Hastings who has helped the show out for 1946 01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:45,929 a long time actually listen to the show 1947 01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:50,250 and started emailing me that's not true 1948 01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:52,650 and you know all this and then he got 1949 01:25:58,339 --> 01:25:54,960 ahold of Charles halt and Charles said 1950 01:26:01,220 --> 01:25:58,349 no way I never said that and and I said 1951 01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:01,230 no you know I stood right there and I 1952 01:26:05,209 --> 01:26:03,510 heard him say that you know he he didn't 1953 01:26:08,180 --> 01:26:05,219 realize it until years later and you 1954 01:26:10,250 --> 01:26:08,190 know he told the whole story and you 1955 01:26:12,319 --> 01:26:10,260 know then he was in complete denial 1956 01:26:14,359 --> 01:26:12,329 about it well Robert Hastings got really 1957 01:26:15,589 --> 01:26:14,369 really angry at me and won't talk to me 1958 01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:15,599 anymore he's gone he's out of the 1959 01:26:21,799 --> 01:26:18,719 picture but I was communicating with 1960 01:26:23,419 --> 01:26:21,809 Charles halt through all this and I said 1961 01:26:28,189 --> 01:26:23,429 listen here's my phone number just 1962 01:26:30,529 --> 01:26:28,199 please just call me let's talk so I so 1963 01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:30,539 Charles halt calls me and I said Charles 1964 01:26:39,379 --> 01:26:35,130 right now if you took a any type of Lie 1965 01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:39,389 Detector online and I'm getting some 1966 01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:42,239 feedback there Ron took any type of Lie 1967 01:26:46,879 --> 01:26:44,250 Detector or whatever i'm going to say 1968 01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:46,889 this and it's going to come back that 1969 01:26:53,689 --> 01:26:48,719 I'm telling the truth because you said 1970 01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:53,699 this to be and he said can we do this he 1971 01:26:58,010 --> 01:26:55,530 said I believe that you were telling 1972 01:27:00,500 --> 01:26:58,020 what you think is the truth but he said 1973 01:27:02,180 --> 01:27:00,510 I did not say that we all ended up we 1974 01:27:05,299 --> 01:27:02,190 patched things up enough to the point 1975 01:27:06,490 --> 01:27:05,309 where he actually came on the show like 1976 01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:06,500 the month after that 1977 01:27:11,260 --> 01:27:09,770 so it was interesting but I never 1978 01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:11,270 brought it up during the show but I'm 1979 01:27:16,030 --> 01:27:13,690 just giving the listener of our two of 1980 01:27:20,770 --> 01:27:16,040 our to just a little behind the scenes 1981 01:27:23,230 --> 01:27:20,780 of what happened no it's really a shame 1982 01:27:25,090 --> 01:27:23,240 that it cuz you know that kind of put 1983 01:27:27,550 --> 01:27:25,100 you in a situation where no matter how 1984 01:27:28,990 --> 01:27:27,560 much in integrity you try to be you find 1985 01:27:31,870 --> 01:27:29,000 yourself in a situation where your 1986 01:27:33,370 --> 01:27:31,880 integrity can be questioned and on you 1987 01:27:36,130 --> 01:27:33,380 just have to be really careful won't you 1988 01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:36,140 oh yeah you know I mean I was threatened 1989 01:27:45,370 --> 01:27:40,250 up by Robert Hastings about libel and 1990 01:27:47,050 --> 01:27:45,380 you know all this other stuff so but you 1991 01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:47,060 know I was glad that he and I more or 1992 01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:51,410 less I earned it out but I still I'm not 1993 01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:53,210 going to go any further than you know I 1994 01:27:59,980 --> 01:27:56,690 I thought that's what I heard so I'll 1995 01:28:01,810 --> 01:27:59,990 just leave it yeah what you know it's 1996 01:28:05,230 --> 01:28:01,820 it's a minefield especially in this 1997 01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:05,240 genre because there's so many people 1998 01:28:08,860 --> 01:28:07,250 with an interest in disinformation and 1999 01:28:11,230 --> 01:28:08,870 there's so many people that want to see 2000 01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,240 us turn into just a bunch of back by the 2001 01:28:15,580 --> 01:28:13,520 infighting people and resolve our 2002 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:15,590 credibility and you have to be aware 2003 01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:19,130 that constantly and so you know all I 2004 01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:22,130 ever hope for in this field is that the 2005 01:28:28,180 --> 01:28:24,050 bickering can stop and that everybody 2006 01:28:29,860 --> 01:28:28,190 night and come up with some professional 2007 01:28:31,690 --> 01:28:29,870 standards conduct and connect with some 2008 01:28:34,590 --> 01:28:31,700 professional standards of Investigation 2009 01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:34,600 and some serious peer review yeah 2010 01:28:39,250 --> 01:28:38,090 because the field of you followed you if 2011 01:28:41,650 --> 01:28:39,260 you want to call it that a lot of people 2012 01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:41,660 don't like that the fear with the 2013 01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:44,000 apology is a dysfunctional crowd at the 2014 01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:46,000 moment and so we can really get 2015 01:28:51,460 --> 01:28:49,010 disorganized you know it's hard for us 2016 01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:51,470 to unify and have the web take it 2017 01:28:55,480 --> 01:28:54,170 seriously and so you know that's one of 2018 01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:55,490 the reasons that I'm supported in the 2019 01:28:59,500 --> 01:28:57,290 political movement in all of this is 2020 01:29:03,550 --> 01:28:59,510 because at least it has some cohesive on 2021 01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:03,560 parameters or operates within and so we 2022 01:29:08,890 --> 01:29:06,460 have me to just bring our a game and 2023 01:29:10,180 --> 01:29:08,900 then quit fighting amongst ourselves if 2024 01:29:12,670 --> 01:29:10,190 they're trying to discredit each other 2025 01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:12,680 and the most thumbs like pictures of 2026 01:29:15,340 --> 01:29:14,000 mummies they're going to be worried 2027 01:29:16,990 --> 01:29:15,350 about in front of the world we should 2028 01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:17,000 have a much bigger peer review for 2029 01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:18,290 something like that is allowed to be 2030 01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:20,690 showing yeah hang on 2031 01:29:25,970 --> 01:29:24,690 we have a caller color identify yourself 2032 01:29:28,730 --> 01:29:25,980 if you would and please ask your 2033 01:29:33,290 --> 01:29:28,740 question longtime listener first-time 2034 01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:33,300 caller all right yes a butyl oh hey how 2035 01:29:39,770 --> 01:29:37,110 you doing Matthew excellent I would like 2036 01:29:43,310 --> 01:29:39,780 to know from our gifts what's the best 2037 01:29:45,620 --> 01:29:43,320 way to obtain his content I know German 2038 01:29:47,450 --> 01:29:45,630 corbel was obviously but if he could 2039 01:29:51,380 --> 01:29:47,460 kind of repeat that with what the best 2040 01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:51,390 value is and then follow-up comment just 2041 01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:53,250 as I didn't mean that his work was 2042 01:29:58,130 --> 01:29:56,370 invaluable I just was wondering for the 2043 01:30:00,500 --> 01:29:58,140 purpose of disclosures and thoughtful 2044 01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:00,510 huge goal if all that his hard work 2045 01:30:04,370 --> 01:30:02,850 would be more fruitful because he by 2046 01:30:06,430 --> 01:30:04,380 those who are actually interested in the 2047 01:30:08,930 --> 01:30:06,440 field person sending them to random 2048 01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:08,940 Congress people that that more likely is 2049 01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:12,930 not interested well the fact of the 2050 01:30:17,810 --> 01:30:15,600 matter is is it making the trailer 3 to 2051 01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:17,820 somebody who's going to do a digestive 2052 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:20,010 in their arm chair at home and Wichita 2053 01:30:24,830 --> 01:30:23,370 is not the best use of resources the 2054 01:30:27,140 --> 01:30:24,840 Congress people may or may not be 2055 01:30:28,850 --> 01:30:27,150 interested in disclosure that when 2056 01:30:31,090 --> 01:30:28,860 you're engaging the political process 2057 01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:31,100 they are the people that you must engage 2058 01:30:35,300 --> 01:30:33,570 the thing thought of giving away the 2059 01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:35,310 Citizen hearing on disclosure on YouTube 2060 01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:36,960 this won't create a national outcry 2061 01:30:41,150 --> 01:30:39,360 where tens of thousands of people are 2062 01:30:42,770 --> 01:30:41,160 going to demand from their politicians 2063 01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:42,780 that this happened and we are going to 2064 01:30:48,290 --> 01:30:44,730 see demonstrations and the capitals of 2065 01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:48,300 states you demanding action then we 2066 01:30:52,430 --> 01:30:50,070 would certainly do it but I don't think 2067 01:30:55,010 --> 01:30:52,440 that that would be the results and so 2068 01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:55,020 you know the people there's only in core 2069 01:30:59,150 --> 01:30:57,570 audience maybe 20,000 people around the 2070 01:31:00,560 --> 01:30:59,160 world that would have enough to 2071 01:31:03,860 --> 01:31:00,570 interested in sort of some hearing of 2072 01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:03,870 the squares or to buy it and so later 2073 01:31:07,870 --> 01:31:05,970 you know it's been we've given away free 2074 01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:07,880 clips the TV who's done a lot of things 2075 01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:12,090 to to get the word out but at the end of 2076 01:31:16,010 --> 01:31:13,290 the day it costs money to be in 2077 01:31:19,310 --> 01:31:16,020 Washington it costs money to to stay in 2078 01:31:20,690 --> 01:31:19,320 DC it costs money to pay a publicist it 2079 01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:20,700 costs money to knock on the doors of 2080 01:31:26,990 --> 01:31:22,320 these Congress people and if we're not 2081 01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:27,000 giving that money from the fruits of the 2082 01:31:33,140 --> 01:31:29,010 work that we've done the way we supposed 2083 01:31:34,850 --> 01:31:33,150 to get it so you know if we thought 2084 01:31:36,440 --> 01:31:34,860 the Citizen hearing on disclosure a bit 2085 01:31:38,030 --> 01:31:36,450 of commercial and flying violet asked 2086 01:31:41,540 --> 01:31:38,040 him every day the watches it send us 2087 01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:41,550 apart my beer attended to back so 2088 01:31:46,850 --> 01:31:44,490 unfortunately world we live in says that 2089 01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:46,860 you know it takes money to do your work 2090 01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:50,730 and so you put it out there we live 2091 01:31:54,980 --> 01:31:52,560 stream divided over the world for three 2092 01:31:56,420 --> 01:31:54,990 dollars I don't know how much my private 2093 01:31:58,250 --> 01:31:56,430 service we could have been across this 2094 01:32:00,560 --> 01:31:58,260 more than that just pay the company that 2095 01:32:02,900 --> 01:32:00,570 provided the bandwidth so I forgot 2096 01:32:05,540 --> 01:32:02,910 you've done a bit and as far as Jeremy 2097 01:32:08,540 --> 01:32:05,550 corbel well you know he started of CHD 2098 01:32:10,820 --> 01:32:08,550 too he was not involved in selling the 2099 01:32:12,860 --> 01:32:10,830 Citizen hearing this kind of I hear that 2100 01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:12,870 he does say that and it's a shame but 2101 01:32:16,610 --> 01:32:15,090 I'm glad nothing to do Sam in the actual 2102 01:32:19,780 --> 01:32:16,620 event and he had a little bit to do with 2103 01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:19,790 helping to produce the DVD city for sale 2104 01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:22,320 and that's the only place to buy the 2105 01:32:26,330 --> 01:32:23,850 official Citizen hearing on disclosure 2106 01:32:28,940 --> 01:32:26,340 DVD collection is from CH t two 2107 01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:28,950 productions and yeah that's perfectly 2108 01:32:35,660 --> 01:32:32,570 fine thank you for that question Matthew 2109 01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:35,670 one of the things that I do recall and 2110 01:32:42,430 --> 01:32:38,810 correct me if I'm wrong on this run is 2111 01:32:45,860 --> 01:32:42,440 that when the Citizen hearing was first 2112 01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:45,870 getting formed that there was a wealthy 2113 01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:49,290 donor that donated a million dollars am 2114 01:32:53,930 --> 01:32:51,840 I getting that wrong yeah he didn't 2115 01:32:57,230 --> 01:32:53,940 donate it he invested it and that money 2116 01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:57,240 was invested as and that donor as you 2117 01:33:00,860 --> 01:32:59,520 want to call him I had a contract that 2118 01:33:02,930 --> 01:33:00,870 says that he's entitled to get that 2119 01:33:05,630 --> 01:33:02,940 money back in fact he is entirety all 2120 01:33:07,820 --> 01:33:05,640 the proceeds from any sales and 2121 01:33:10,340 --> 01:33:07,830 distribution episodes and hearing on 2122 01:33:12,020 --> 01:33:10,350 disclosure and the subsequent movie that 2123 01:33:14,060 --> 01:33:12,030 is supposed to be made about the poor 2124 01:33:17,060 --> 01:33:14,070 thing so it wasn't that somebody came up 2125 01:33:18,890 --> 01:33:17,070 this adheres Italian box I think that 2126 01:33:21,250 --> 01:33:18,900 that person expects to get his money 2127 01:33:24,050 --> 01:33:21,260 back I see so as an investor not a donor 2128 01:33:28,940 --> 01:33:24,060 that's that's where the although he 2129 01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:28,950 turned into a goner yeah unfortunately a 2130 01:33:35,450 --> 01:33:34,050 lot of investors can do that and but 2131 01:33:37,820 --> 01:33:35,460 anyway I mean you haven't done it 2132 01:33:42,110 --> 01:33:37,830 voluntarily he's done enough cuz ya know 2133 01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:42,120 that the media has been co-opted and as 2134 01:33:45,410 --> 01:33:43,890 much as we try to keep it off youtube 2135 01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:45,420 for free and as much as people seem to 2136 01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:46,800 think that we should just put it out 2137 01:33:50,370 --> 01:33:47,110 there 2138 01:33:54,090 --> 01:33:50,380 we did we really been burned pretty bad 2139 01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:54,100 on that now are you going to be involved 2140 01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:58,719 in the the movie part of it i think that 2141 01:34:03,300 --> 01:34:01,360 the movie you know some that I here yet 2142 01:34:04,859 --> 01:34:03,310 the movie is just stagnant a lot of 2143 01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:04,869 money was lost on the Citizen hearing on 2144 01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:07,690 disclosure I'll think that there's a you 2145 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:10,090 know this was a perfect example if I did 2146 01:34:13,859 --> 01:34:11,530 it's supposed to be this movie truth 2147 01:34:18,050 --> 01:34:13,869 embargo that is supposed to be being 2148 01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:18,060 made with the Citizen hearing as its 2149 01:34:26,399 --> 01:34:22,239 pivotal moment and you know the support 2150 01:34:27,930 --> 01:34:26,409 for that is gone and you know that we 2151 01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:27,940 would love to see that movie get made 2152 01:34:33,419 --> 01:34:30,400 I'm not personally involved in in 2153 01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:33,429 producing it nor did I did I raise money 2154 01:34:38,820 --> 01:34:36,850 or take money for making it but at this 2155 01:34:40,669 --> 01:34:38,830 point in time it would appear that there 2156 01:34:44,250 --> 01:34:40,679 are no resources to make this movie oh 2157 01:34:45,959 --> 01:34:44,260 that's too bad and for all the people 2158 01:34:47,700 --> 01:34:45,969 out there that are asking you get gets 2159 01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:47,710 that's the same thing this is the result 2160 01:34:51,510 --> 01:34:49,840 of what happens when people are willing 2161 01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:51,520 to pay for the work that filmmakers make 2162 01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:53,290 they can't make them excel the truth 2163 01:34:58,439 --> 01:34:55,570 embargo is going to be an amazing movie 2164 01:35:01,770 --> 01:34:58,449 a milestone event a theatrical release 2165 01:35:03,270 --> 01:35:01,780 quality film and then the sort of 2166 01:35:06,419 --> 01:35:03,280 hearing ended up on YouTube for free 2167 01:35:13,050 --> 01:35:06,429 cells were nothing and now we can't make 2168 01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:13,060 the movie Wow okay so I asked you 2169 01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:16,000 earlier him you know what you had in the 2170 01:35:21,870 --> 01:35:20,110 work and all that but I didn't I don't 2171 01:35:25,979 --> 01:35:21,880 recall you mentioning anything about 2172 01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:25,989 what your future projects are and if you 2173 01:35:30,830 --> 01:35:28,719 did address that you know I apologize 2174 01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:30,840 but do let me just put it this way other 2175 01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:33,760 things out there that you are looking to 2176 01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:36,130 do that you haven't embarked on of 2177 01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:39,489 really getting into yet well you know my 2178 01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:42,639 my primary focus now is on eyeballs TV 2179 01:35:47,550 --> 01:35:45,250 and it is a subscription-based website 2180 01:35:49,140 --> 01:35:47,560 and we're creating fantastic original 2181 01:35:50,820 --> 01:35:49,150 media for people that don't mind selling 2182 01:35:54,620 --> 01:35:50,830 out over the money every muscle they 2183 01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:54,630 have access to stuff without ads and 2184 01:35:59,399 --> 01:35:56,770 people trying to sell them toilet paper 2185 01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:59,409 and at the end of the day there's enough 2186 01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:00,880 people out there that are 2187 01:36:04,530 --> 01:36:03,010 appreciate that and all they spend their 2188 01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:04,540 dollars a month and we're making these 2189 01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:06,610 original shows and my sir bigger 2190 01:36:10,590 --> 01:36:08,650 question is my passion it's the show 2191 01:36:12,330 --> 01:36:10,600 that I've always wanted to make and it's 2192 01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:12,340 getting better and better and then all 2193 01:36:16,140 --> 01:36:13,690 the other shows around executive 2194 01:36:18,750 --> 01:36:16,150 producing on eyeballs and you know these 2195 01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:18,760 are programs that like oddly enough so 2196 01:36:22,890 --> 01:36:20,290 this is an example we live in a world 2197 01:36:25,649 --> 01:36:22,900 where you would think for this channel 2198 01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:25,659 called HGTV this home and garden 2199 01:36:29,820 --> 01:36:28,210 television would just be running to put 2200 01:36:32,010 --> 01:36:29,830 on a show about how people can raise 2201 01:36:33,930 --> 01:36:32,020 their own food in the backyard and not 2202 01:36:36,330 --> 01:36:33,940 have to use GMOs not have to be 2203 01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:36,340 subjected to pesticides and chemicals 2204 01:36:41,580 --> 01:36:39,250 but they can't because they're you know 2205 01:36:43,740 --> 01:36:41,590 that they're getting their support from 2206 01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:43,750 companies like Monsanto that make round 2207 01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:45,489 up and other companies that have other 2208 01:36:50,490 --> 01:36:47,920 agendas so you can't get through media 2209 01:36:52,260 --> 01:36:50,500 from the existing media because the 2210 01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:52,270 first system has been co-opted by 2211 01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:53,710 corporate interest in advertising 2212 01:36:58,860 --> 01:36:56,250 dollars we believe that people want 2213 01:37:00,780 --> 01:36:58,870 honest media that helps them solve 2214 01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:00,790 problems and improve their lives and 2215 01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:02,650 helps us as a society build a better 2216 01:37:06,330 --> 01:37:04,510 future at the same time it's 2217 01:37:08,399 --> 01:37:06,340 entertaining it's fun to watch we 2218 01:37:10,379 --> 01:37:08,409 believe that those people the smarter 2219 01:37:12,090 --> 01:37:10,389 among us are along because he thought to 2220 01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:12,100 have access to that instead of being 2221 01:37:16,740 --> 01:37:14,560 bombarded with disgusted the mainstream 2222 01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:16,750 media feeds us so that's what we're 2223 01:37:20,610 --> 01:37:19,090 doing with eyeball and know about 2224 01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:20,620 everybody could be a part of it it's a 2225 01:37:27,540 --> 01:37:24,850 community yes it would be a whole 2226 01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:27,550 different podcast but I I have to say 2227 01:37:33,540 --> 01:37:29,650 I'm on board with you with that stuff 2228 01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:33,550 and I think we have someone disagree on 2229 01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:35,650 the message board about it but it but 2230 01:37:40,740 --> 01:37:38,170 I'm on board with you on that because we 2231 01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:40,750 just the studies not out there I think 2232 01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:43,510 the FDA is corrupt but I again this is a 2233 01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:47,199 different yeah what did somebody say in 2234 01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:49,330 the message board I can't do it oh I 2235 01:37:57,390 --> 01:37:52,770 think it was something to do with a that 2236 01:37:59,340 --> 01:37:57,400 scientists say that that GMO is actually 2237 01:38:01,410 --> 01:37:59,350 good that it will feed third world 2238 01:38:03,930 --> 01:38:01,420 countries but I know that that's been 2239 01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:03,940 proven I did the Monsanto scientist says 2240 01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:05,650 that let me let me clarify that for the 2241 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:07,510 guy in the message board they have made 2242 01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:10,690 the GMOs largely to be roundup resistant 2243 01:38:14,729 --> 01:38:12,610 and that's so that they can spray these 2244 01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:14,739 crops with Roundup but 2245 01:38:18,509 --> 01:38:16,960 crop plants will still grow what's been 2246 01:38:20,250 --> 01:38:18,519 happening in these third world countries 2247 01:38:23,759 --> 01:38:20,260 is that the weeds are now becoming 2248 01:38:25,589 --> 01:38:23,769 resistant to Roundup so we shown the 2249 01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:25,599 roundup is a carcinogen they sent it 2250 01:38:29,220 --> 01:38:26,800 maybe that has something to do with 2251 01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:29,230 autism this happening what they're 2252 01:38:32,549 --> 01:38:31,090 saying is in the near future it could be 2253 01:38:35,729 --> 01:38:32,559 sixty percent of our children born with 2254 01:38:37,140 --> 01:38:35,739 autism roundup is prevalent all over the 2255 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:37,150 world and they're finding all kinds of 2256 01:38:42,839 --> 01:38:40,090 problems with it the GMO crops are evade 2257 01:38:44,729 --> 01:38:42,849 to resist it and so we're getting not 2258 01:38:46,259 --> 01:38:44,739 only are we getting crops that are that 2259 01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:46,269 have been genetically also if you don't 2260 01:38:49,379 --> 01:38:47,530 know what that effect is but we're 2261 01:38:51,930 --> 01:38:49,389 getting costs are saturated in this in 2262 01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:51,940 this verb aside and they're going all 2263 01:38:56,279 --> 01:38:53,920 the way through our systems and being 2264 01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:56,289 impregnated into ourselves you know so 2265 01:39:02,879 --> 01:38:58,960 that's just one example of how GMOs are 2266 01:39:05,399 --> 01:39:02,889 proving to be a big problem yeah I again 2267 01:39:08,310 --> 01:39:05,409 this is up really the wrong podcast for 2268 01:39:11,100 --> 01:39:08,320 that but I understand yeah yeah yeah so 2269 01:39:12,839 --> 01:39:11,110 no problem i'm the one who actually I'm 2270 01:39:15,569 --> 01:39:12,849 probably the most PolyJet it guests 2271 01:39:17,459 --> 01:39:15,579 you've ever had ah sorry I don't mean to 2272 01:39:19,229 --> 01:39:17,469 say that I'm sorry about that oh yeah 2273 01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:19,239 sorry I didn't mean to get so sad oh 2274 01:39:26,250 --> 01:39:24,400 sorry didn't mean to say that no I think 2275 01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:26,260 I've had I've had a few of them to feel 2276 01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:29,920 them on there but but anyway no it's a 2277 01:39:33,989 --> 01:39:32,110 be a bet that is interesting and you 2278 01:39:37,529 --> 01:39:33,999 know I'm glad you're out there talking 2279 01:39:42,450 --> 01:39:37,539 about and but so do you want to hear 2280 01:39:46,379 --> 01:39:42,460 something funny is a UFO related hey 2281 01:39:48,689 --> 01:39:46,389 guys it's pretty ufo-related so what I 2282 01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:48,699 find prevalent in this field in another 2283 01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:50,800 fields to cryptozoology etc and this 2284 01:39:54,689 --> 01:39:52,239 one's a little more crypto but it's just 2285 01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:54,699 say it's the same thing is what i call 2286 01:40:00,810 --> 01:39:57,280 the jesus is walking on water syndrome 2287 01:40:03,029 --> 01:40:00,820 and that is you know jesus is at my 2288 01:40:04,799 --> 01:40:03,039 house today he's back he's in my back 2289 01:40:06,989 --> 01:40:04,809 gardens walking our water in my swimming 2290 01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:06,999 pool but i can't really let anybody know 2291 01:40:11,580 --> 01:40:09,610 a called idiot because now is not the 2292 01:40:13,290 --> 01:40:11,590 time right so there's all these people 2293 01:40:15,209 --> 01:40:13,300 that are saying that they've gotten his 2294 01:40:17,609 --> 01:40:15,219 knowledge in the sensation but it's not 2295 01:40:19,140 --> 01:40:17,619 ready to be released to humanity or for 2296 01:40:20,339 --> 01:40:19,150 some kind of strange reason they can't 2297 01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:20,349 put their money where their mouth is 2298 01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:22,449 approved so i get a call from the guy 2299 01:40:26,969 --> 01:40:25,119 and he says look good I'm gonna break 2300 01:40:28,700 --> 01:40:26,979 the story you I want you to be the one 2301 01:40:31,470 --> 01:40:28,710 who brings it to the world 2302 01:40:33,690 --> 01:40:31,480 Bigfoot is an interdimensional creature 2303 01:40:36,660 --> 01:40:33,700 tied in with aliens for another planet 2304 01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:36,670 and they come through portals to come in 2305 01:40:43,140 --> 01:40:39,040 and out of the earth and there's some 2306 01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:43,150 portals in Arkansas okay and Bigfoot has 2307 01:40:48,330 --> 01:40:45,760 agreed to be interviewed but you have to 2308 01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:48,340 come to Arkansas and then Govinda call 2309 01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:50,320 this happen and I'm not cool now let me 2310 01:40:53,970 --> 01:40:51,970 know in the plane ticket there and he 2311 01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:53,980 says well yet to buy the plane ticket 2312 01:40:59,400 --> 01:40:56,770 yesterday for your crew to come out I so 2313 01:41:01,230 --> 01:40:59,410 I'll tell you what I will arrange for 2314 01:41:03,480 --> 01:41:01,240 you to have a million dollars deposited 2315 01:41:06,180 --> 01:41:03,490 in your checking account when I leave 2316 01:41:08,490 --> 01:41:06,190 Arkansas with the Bigfoot interview but 2317 01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:08,500 i'm not buying plane tickets and the 2318 01:41:13,410 --> 01:41:11,440 guys like well and then he tells me that 2319 01:41:14,850 --> 01:41:13,420 we can't bring a camera equipment into 2320 01:41:17,730 --> 01:41:14,860 the dimensional portal because 2321 01:41:18,990 --> 01:41:17,740 electronics don't work and so I say well 2322 01:41:20,940 --> 01:41:19,000 how about we just bring an old-fashioned 2323 01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:20,950 camera with film that doesn't have 2324 01:41:28,650 --> 01:41:25,920 electronics and so you know here's a guy 2325 01:41:30,570 --> 01:41:28,660 this is what we're doing every day is 2326 01:41:31,950 --> 01:41:30,580 like you want me to put to put my dime 2327 01:41:33,660 --> 01:41:31,960 to fly to bigfoot watch you and 2328 01:41:35,130 --> 01:41:33,670 interceptors flight Arkansas walk 2329 01:41:37,170 --> 01:41:35,140 through an interdimensional portal and 2330 01:41:38,940 --> 01:41:37,180 interview Bigfoot and you're so sure 2331 01:41:41,070 --> 01:41:38,950 it's going to happen but you did you 2332 01:41:43,740 --> 01:41:41,080 would put a two-hundred-dollar fine take 2333 01:41:45,870 --> 01:41:43,750 it against a million-dollar check and 2334 01:41:47,490 --> 01:41:45,880 that's what we're up against is just a 2335 01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:47,500 lot of people sound things that they 2336 01:41:53,310 --> 01:41:49,810 can't validate and then not 2337 01:41:54,990 --> 01:41:53,320 understanding why we don't believe so if 2338 01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:55,000 there's a lot of stuff getting lost in 2339 01:41:59,880 --> 01:41:56,970 the maze and that's my funniest sort of 2340 01:42:03,780 --> 01:41:59,890 how I've been approached by people with 2341 01:42:08,610 --> 01:42:03,790 these crazy stories it just on able to 2342 01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:08,620 validate are you familiar with the blt 2343 01:42:16,170 --> 01:42:11,520 research group it's actually rockefeller 2344 01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:16,180 funded blue moon I'm not familiar with 2345 01:42:20,430 --> 01:42:17,410 your work I don't know about the group 2346 01:42:22,290 --> 01:42:20,440 yeah there's a question up on the 2347 01:42:23,970 --> 01:42:22,300 message board and you know I don't 2348 01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:23,980 really want to harp on the gmf but I 2349 01:42:29,370 --> 01:42:26,590 know the question is regarding GMO have 2350 01:42:34,410 --> 01:42:29,380 you researched any of the blt research 2351 01:42:36,510 --> 01:42:34,420 group studies on crop circles oh no I 2352 01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:36,520 haven't yeah and I don't know exactly 2353 01:42:41,220 --> 01:42:38,320 what you mo had to do with that a most 2354 01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:41,230 porn is ninety percent 2355 01:42:45,690 --> 01:42:43,690 is or whatever but although you know 2356 01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:45,700 really did we really want to look 2357 01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:47,770 forward to the day when we can have a 2358 01:42:53,220 --> 01:42:50,290 BLT without toughening about GMO 2359 01:42:57,240 --> 01:42:53,230 tomatoes so I can't do it Sofia you keep 2360 01:42:58,800 --> 01:42:57,250 investigating okay crop circles is that 2361 01:43:02,130 --> 01:42:58,810 something you've ever actually looked 2362 01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:02,140 into well y'all work with Suzanne Taylor 2363 01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:03,850 that's right girl and I forgot you said 2364 01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:08,290 that yes mm-hmm so I have I mean I you 2365 01:43:12,030 --> 01:43:09,790 know I don't have a qualified opinion 2366 01:43:17,220 --> 01:43:12,040 that's any I'm not any more of an expert 2367 01:43:19,410 --> 01:43:17,230 than anybody else yeah yeah yeah it's it 2368 01:43:21,690 --> 01:43:19,420 is kind of interesting why did be so 2369 01:43:23,550 --> 01:43:21,700 many over in England and you know a lot 2370 01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:23,560 of I think some of them are me and made 2371 01:43:26,820 --> 01:43:24,970 I don't know if all the Mar I have no 2372 01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:26,830 idea i really don't want to go in with 2373 01:43:31,260 --> 01:43:28,960 my opinion either on that because i've 2374 01:43:33,690 --> 01:43:31,270 been on the fence on that whole topic 2375 01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:33,700 for well i sent out the guy that made 2376 01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:35,530 Mirage men I can't remember his name 2377 01:43:40,620 --> 01:43:37,930 Duluth we were talking right after the 2378 01:43:42,090 --> 01:43:40,630 epd awards and you know he's he's very 2379 01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:42,100 familiar with that he says with the 2380 01:43:45,870 --> 01:43:43,570 across servers are all one hundred 2381 01:43:48,090 --> 01:43:45,880 percent man-made but honestly some of 2382 01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:48,100 these things you can tell almost by 2383 01:43:52,170 --> 01:43:50,080 there by the imperfections in the 2384 01:43:54,060 --> 01:43:52,180 screwed-up shapes when something's been 2385 01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:54,070 fumble to buy people but some of these 2386 01:43:58,979 --> 01:43:56,650 crop formations are so mathematically 2387 01:44:01,229 --> 01:43:58,989 perfect i just don't see how you guys 2388 01:44:03,210 --> 01:44:01,239 good crew in the dark could be making 2389 01:44:04,620 --> 01:44:03,220 them so i think the pizza yeah there's 2390 01:44:06,180 --> 01:44:04,630 probably a lot of hoaxes that they're so 2391 01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:06,190 skewed that come across if you just 2392 01:44:14,940 --> 01:44:10,960 can't explain right right yeah it is and 2393 01:44:16,410 --> 01:44:14,950 there was a there was a group that we're 2394 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:16,420 getting a little feedback i don't sounds 2395 01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:18,010 like wind or something on your end i'm 2396 01:44:26,970 --> 01:44:21,850 not sure what it is but the there was a 2397 01:44:29,370 --> 01:44:26,980 one group that tried to to make crop 2398 01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:29,380 circles in the dark and a geometric and 2399 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:30,850 they they actually did a pretty darn 2400 01:44:34,410 --> 01:44:32,890 good job and they did it before the Sun 2401 01:44:38,820 --> 01:44:34,420 came up i don't know if you've ever seen 2402 01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:38,830 that documentary up but yeah that's that 2403 01:44:45,390 --> 01:44:41,530 kind of like made me think a little bit 2404 01:44:47,190 --> 01:44:45,400 about that whether they you know people 2405 01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:47,200 really do have pretty good skill and 2406 01:44:53,810 --> 01:44:51,760 they say that they do make them so yeah 2407 01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:53,820 I've heard all of that so it's on 2408 01:44:57,260 --> 01:44:55,650 you know again I don't think that I 2409 01:45:00,830 --> 01:44:57,270 think the question is still up for 2410 01:45:04,459 --> 01:45:00,840 debate that I think there's no logical 2411 01:45:06,589 --> 01:45:04,469 explanation done not in a lot of these 2412 01:45:08,930 --> 01:45:06,599 things as much as it you know I want to 2413 01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:08,940 believe I kind of like Fox Mulder and I 2414 01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:11,489 do be even a lot of stuff but not soon 2415 01:45:17,379 --> 01:45:14,639 enough stuff also to really try to not 2416 01:45:20,510 --> 01:45:17,389 drink kool-aid on in wrote a 2417 01:45:24,700 --> 01:45:20,520 dispassionate journalistic viewpoint to 2418 01:45:28,069 --> 01:45:24,710 everything that I encounter right right 2419 01:45:29,870 --> 01:45:28,079 so moving along we got about oh I don't 2420 01:45:33,169 --> 01:45:29,880 know maybe 10 or 15 minutes if anyone 2421 01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:33,179 would like to call in were on the line 2422 01:45:43,550 --> 01:45:36,690 here with ron james and the call in 2423 01:45:46,729 --> 01:45:43,560 number is 603 967 4030 and if anyone has 2424 01:45:49,129 --> 01:45:46,739 any questions on skype I mean I'm sorry 2425 01:45:52,189 --> 01:45:49,139 on our message board feel free to ask 2426 01:45:53,899 --> 01:45:52,199 our guests some questions and what do 2427 01:45:58,280 --> 01:45:53,909 you have someone just posted what do you 2428 01:46:00,800 --> 01:45:58,290 think of the ancient alien Theory you 2429 01:46:02,899 --> 01:46:00,810 know I think that the show is down to 2430 01:46:05,930 --> 01:46:02,909 the point where kind of reaches but you 2431 01:46:08,330 --> 01:46:05,940 know it's okay you know seven far just 2432 01:46:10,010 --> 01:46:08,340 in part of Ecuador there is a stone it's 2433 01:46:11,750 --> 01:46:10,020 a particular shade of green not found 2434 01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:11,760 anywhere else in the planet it must be 2435 01:46:17,089 --> 01:46:15,210 failing but on I think after six seasons 2436 01:46:19,580 --> 01:46:17,099 are reaching it however the ancient 2437 01:46:22,010 --> 01:46:19,590 alien Theory there is a huge amount of 2438 01:46:24,050 --> 01:46:22,020 evidence that the history of this planet 2439 01:46:26,500 --> 01:46:24,060 and the history of humanity is far more 2440 01:46:29,089 --> 01:46:26,510 complex and goes back farther than 2441 01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:29,099 anybody's want to admit and I think that 2442 01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:30,690 you know the government knows i took the 2443 01:46:36,290 --> 01:46:33,119 Smithsonian she is in possession of a 2444 01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:36,300 lot of archaeological artifacts that 2445 01:46:40,910 --> 01:46:38,489 point to a history that is not 2446 01:46:43,729 --> 01:46:40,920 officially acknowledged I think there's 2447 01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:43,739 a good case that there's been some sort 2448 01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:45,840 of extraterrestrial influence on our 2449 01:46:51,410 --> 01:46:48,810 history and on our genetics and that 2450 01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:51,420 still continues today so yeah I mean I 2451 01:46:58,879 --> 01:46:52,800 think that there's a lot of validity to 2452 01:47:01,609 --> 01:46:58,889 that yeah you know that the starter of 2453 01:47:04,399 --> 01:47:01,619 that whole thing was Erich von Daniken 2454 01:47:07,490 --> 01:47:04,409 and I had him on the show and you know 2455 01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:07,500 that it's funny I got 2456 01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:09,570 lot of email after that particular show 2457 01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:11,850 on someone said why didn't you ask him 2458 01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:13,890 this or why didn't you push that or all 2459 01:47:18,860 --> 01:47:16,050 that but you know its many many stores I 2460 01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:18,870 heard before but he was a very pleasant 2461 01:47:24,530 --> 01:47:22,560 man to talk to anyway yeah i got to hang 2462 01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:24,540 out with eric is contacting the desert 2463 01:47:29,630 --> 01:47:26,970 and uh you know i had to i told him i 2464 01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:29,640 see no Eric two guys I was sitting next 2465 01:47:32,540 --> 01:47:30,960 to him while he's doing all those book 2466 01:47:35,480 --> 01:47:32,550 signings and everything so I got to 2467 01:47:37,340 --> 01:47:35,490 really hang out talk and I told him I 2468 01:47:40,150 --> 01:47:37,350 said you know Australia so God is one of 2469 01:47:42,230 --> 01:47:40,160 those movies that is pivotal for me in 2470 01:47:43,670 --> 01:47:42,240 deciding to do this kind of work and 2471 01:47:45,290 --> 01:47:43,680 actually deciding to pay attention to 2472 01:47:48,530 --> 01:47:45,300 these kind of mysteries and I saw thank 2473 01:47:50,540 --> 01:47:48,540 you and he was like yeah thanks do I 2474 01:47:54,650 --> 01:47:50,550 wouldn't 30 books up Stan have you read 2475 01:47:57,140 --> 01:47:54,660 any of those and I had its if I go sorry 2476 01:48:01,010 --> 01:47:57,150 kiddo no but really choice regardless if 2477 01:48:02,630 --> 01:48:01,020 anyone else to G yeah but yeah I think 2478 01:48:04,670 --> 01:48:02,640 it was one of the best thing thats of 2479 01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:04,680 all time I can't remember with the what 2480 01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:06,570 the statistics obvious it's in that it's 2481 01:48:13,940 --> 01:48:09,360 right up there with the Bible is that 2482 01:48:15,410 --> 01:48:13,950 right and and I think he just barely got 2483 01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:15,420 that thing published 2 and I think he 2484 01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:17,370 got it he was in some type of trouble 2485 01:48:23,420 --> 01:48:18,960 right after that first came out I 2486 01:48:25,460 --> 01:48:23,430 believe in but he just barely got 2487 01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:25,470 through that and it totally changed his 2488 01:48:32,630 --> 01:48:29,730 life for sure yeah it was a pivotal work 2489 01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:32,640 yeah nom you know it yet established his 2490 01:48:36,170 --> 01:48:34,560 career and then of course years later 2491 01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:36,180 coming back and doing the engine Arians 2492 01:48:42,530 --> 01:48:40,410 which I do and did it service no it's 2493 01:48:45,290 --> 01:48:42,540 just it's picking it up so yeah I love 2494 01:48:47,060 --> 01:48:45,300 the show I think that you know it's 2495 01:48:49,610 --> 01:48:47,070 really difficult to so although Stevens 2496 01:48:53,090 --> 01:48:49,620 the TV with fresh exciting new material 2497 01:48:56,990 --> 01:48:53,100 but there the premise that they built 2498 01:48:59,630 --> 01:48:57,000 the show on this is rock solid yeah you 2499 01:49:02,480 --> 01:48:59,640 know I this is uh this has absolutely 2500 01:49:03,950 --> 01:49:02,490 never happened to me before but Ron 2501 01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:03,960 you're going to be the first one this 2502 01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:06,210 has ever happened to but I have to let 2503 01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:10,080 my dog out and I my dog needs to go up 2504 01:49:15,710 --> 01:49:13,530 and so I'm going to ask you a question 2505 01:49:18,740 --> 01:49:15,720 and if you'll just fill a little bit of 2506 01:49:20,250 --> 01:49:18,750 time if you would I'd appreciate that 2507 01:49:26,220 --> 01:49:20,260 real quick 2508 01:49:28,860 --> 01:49:26,230 but what is your favorite UFO case that 2509 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:28,870 you can recall of all time and pen go 2510 01:49:34,590 --> 01:49:30,010 ahead and talk about that and I'll be 2511 01:49:36,330 --> 01:49:34,600 right back no that's that's an 2512 01:49:39,450 --> 01:49:36,340 interesting question because there's so 2513 01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:39,460 many UFO cases that are not as widely 2514 01:49:44,610 --> 01:49:41,770 reported and I think 300 intriguing the 2515 01:49:47,460 --> 01:49:44,620 most of them to come from pre-fight 2516 01:49:49,860 --> 01:49:47,470 history so we have the UFO crash in 2517 01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:49,870 Texas where the flying objects at the 2518 01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:53,290 windmill and being is supposedly buried 2519 01:50:00,770 --> 01:49:56,410 it's very interesting because a it was 2520 01:50:04,710 --> 01:50:00,780 documented in newspapers and rism and be 2521 01:50:07,260 --> 01:50:04,720 there is a sort of thing about witnesses 2522 01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:07,270 and burn values and an alien being that 2523 01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:10,000 was infamous worth lots of eyewitnesses 2524 01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:12,460 lots of documentation and then of course 2525 01:50:19,470 --> 01:50:16,480 as time progresses there is some 2526 01:50:21,810 --> 01:50:19,480 evidence of cover-up and people going 2527 01:50:24,810 --> 01:50:21,820 and moving stuff and doing everything 2528 01:50:27,650 --> 01:50:24,820 they can to eliminate the evidence so 2529 01:50:33,150 --> 01:50:27,660 now that is one of the most intriguing 2530 01:50:34,770 --> 01:50:33,160 UFO cases that that I think we had on 2531 01:50:37,020 --> 01:50:34,780 our plate that we don't we're just going 2532 01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:37,030 to light I'm talking about and then 2533 01:50:41,340 --> 01:50:39,520 there are some russian UFO cases that 2534 01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:41,350 are pretty intriguing but then go back 2535 01:50:46,290 --> 01:50:43,330 to America I took the can of oil citing 2536 01:50:51,540 --> 01:50:46,300 don't really deserve sweet isn't it 2537 01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:51,550 grand i'm back by the way oh i was 2538 01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:54,880 running out thanks for sale yeah that's 2539 01:50:58,800 --> 01:50:56,560 a guy said you have to get an export 2540 01:51:01,110 --> 01:50:58,810 council that cross alone that is a that 2541 01:51:03,660 --> 01:51:01,120 is that was a classic that's the first 2542 01:51:06,630 --> 01:51:03,670 time that's ever happened but yes I last 2543 01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:06,640 week I played a clip of a kenneth arnold 2544 01:51:13,290 --> 01:51:11,410 interview but yeah that you know not a 2545 01:51:17,070 --> 01:51:13,300 lot of people consider it the very first 2546 01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:17,080 sighting of course it's not the one that 2547 01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:18,910 done right you have a question you know 2548 01:51:22,770 --> 01:51:20,290 they answer the question well you're 2549 01:51:27,420 --> 01:51:22,780 about to Texas UFO crash into the window 2550 01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:27,430 it was you know pre-flight oh that that 2551 01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:30,850 happened to Texas who happens for ya you 2552 01:51:37,650 --> 01:51:34,090 know I gotta tell you that that was a 2553 01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:37,660 and UFO hunters they did a real thorough 2554 01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:39,370 investigation of that and which was 2555 01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:41,770 quite amazing and they actually found 2556 01:51:48,810 --> 01:51:46,210 that they think it was some type of war 2557 01:51:53,970 --> 01:51:48,820 spy dirigible type of thing because they 2558 01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:53,980 found evidence to cooperate that so I 2559 01:51:58,560 --> 01:51:56,410 think that one in particular I don't 2560 01:52:02,220 --> 01:51:58,570 want to say has been debunked but was 2561 01:52:06,030 --> 01:52:02,230 discovered to be something something 2562 01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:06,040 more prosaic I guess well you know the 2563 01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:08,080 because I don't even think they had a 2564 01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:10,690 functional dirty balls back then the the 2565 01:52:14,460 --> 01:52:12,250 P is the true believers would tell you 2566 01:52:16,530 --> 01:52:14,470 that that stuff was just planted later 2567 01:52:22,140 --> 01:52:16,540 on by the disinformation people that 2568 01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:22,150 came into like the area yeah it had to 2569 01:52:27,780 --> 01:52:24,490 do with them I think what they did well 2570 01:52:30,690 --> 01:52:27,790 I don't know anyone that wants to check 2571 01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:30,700 into that they can they can send a 2572 01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:32,560 something on the message board if they 2573 01:52:38,850 --> 01:52:36,850 know something about that or or or talk 2574 01:52:40,260 --> 01:52:38,860 about it but I think that was one and I 2575 01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:40,270 want to say that was bill birnes in the 2576 01:52:47,340 --> 01:52:44,320 UFO UFO hunters not not chasing ufos 2577 01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:47,350 which is that speaking of that have you 2578 01:52:53,970 --> 01:52:50,170 ever spoken to you have spoken to James 2579 01:52:55,290 --> 01:52:53,980 Fox haven't you oh yeah yeah he's 2580 01:52:56,430 --> 01:52:55,300 someone i've been trying if someone out 2581 01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:56,440 there's listening and they know how to 2582 01:53:00,750 --> 01:52:58,000 get ahold of my had other people reach 2583 01:53:02,130 --> 01:53:00,760 out to him ray stanford and a bunch of 2584 01:53:04,140 --> 01:53:02,140 other people reach out to him to get him 2585 01:53:07,410 --> 01:53:04,150 on the show i'd like to get james fox on 2586 01:53:09,570 --> 01:53:07,420 the show before I hang up my microphone 2587 01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:09,580 I'd really like to have him on he's he's 2588 01:53:15,930 --> 01:53:11,530 a great guy I know I he wasn't really 2589 01:53:17,310 --> 01:53:15,940 happy with chasing UFOs with the what 2590 01:53:18,570 --> 01:53:17,320 happened on the cutting room floor of 2591 01:53:21,300 --> 01:53:18,580 the editing and stuff he was pretty 2592 01:53:23,340 --> 01:53:21,310 disappointed in that but I think I think 2593 01:53:25,890 --> 01:53:23,350 he is really solid and I want to find 2594 01:53:27,330 --> 01:53:25,900 out what's going on with 701 do you 2595 01:53:29,790 --> 01:53:27,340 happen to know yeah well you know yeah 2596 01:53:31,500 --> 01:53:29,800 there's still you know the road is 2597 01:53:33,180 --> 01:53:31,510 around town and krista krista brian's 2598 01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:33,190 and walton it a little bit and so he 2599 01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:35,530 talks to tracy and yeah it's cladding 2600 01:53:39,390 --> 01:53:38,170 along and you know James is a hard guy 2601 01:53:41,700 --> 01:53:39,400 to come down to this kind of stuff 2602 01:53:44,580 --> 01:53:41,710 getting engaged it's a sheriff or an 2603 01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:44,590 energy excited act it's uh he's a great 2604 01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:47,530 guy in each state forms on 2605 01:53:50,820 --> 01:53:49,330 but I hadn't they just sometimes it 2606 01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:50,830 might take a little more time to get 2607 01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:53,530 back to you hope it was so easy yeah I 2608 01:53:59,940 --> 01:53:56,890 think I consider his boy just lost the 2609 01:54:02,370 --> 01:53:59,950 title of it I consider it for that long 2610 01:54:04,290 --> 01:54:02,380 I know it I saw and it was the other one 2611 01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:04,300 he did kind of the follow up after that 2612 01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:08,560 as I think it's the best ufo-related 2613 01:54:19,230 --> 01:54:12,490 movie of all time so far myself best 2614 01:54:21,570 --> 01:54:19,240 documentary on UFOs it's just I can't I 2615 01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:21,580 can't remember that I'm not doing too 2616 01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:26,320 good time but yeah I can't wait till 2617 01:54:30,330 --> 01:54:28,210 that 70 one does come out because I'm 2618 01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:30,340 sure with a quality of work that he does 2619 01:54:38,700 --> 01:54:33,610 it's going to be a really good film yeah 2620 01:54:41,610 --> 01:54:38,710 and let's see what so we have about 4 2621 01:54:45,060 --> 01:54:41,620 i'm going to say we have about 3 to 3 2622 01:54:47,700 --> 01:54:45,070 minutes i think we have left so if you 2623 01:54:49,230 --> 01:54:47,710 want to go over your out of the blue 2624 01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:49,240 that's the name of it out of the blue 2625 01:54:56,250 --> 01:54:53,050 all right yeah so if you'd like to go 2626 01:54:59,130 --> 01:54:56,260 over quickly one more time about your 2627 01:55:03,090 --> 01:54:59,140 website and how someone can find you and 2628 01:55:04,940 --> 01:55:03,100 also if you want friends on facebook any 2629 01:55:09,540 --> 01:55:04,950 of that stuff go ahead if you would 2630 01:55:11,220 --> 01:55:09,550 closer the website is I valve tv.com so 2631 01:55:13,500 --> 01:55:11,230 it's that just like the word dbag only 2632 01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:13,510 it starts with an i so it's evolved 2633 01:55:17,850 --> 01:55:15,850 tv.com and that's where you can find 2634 01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:17,860 pretty much collection them I work a lot 2635 01:55:22,110 --> 01:55:20,410 of the filmmakers into it and a lot of 2636 01:55:23,460 --> 01:55:22,120 original programming is coming down the 2637 01:55:25,110 --> 01:55:23,470 pike and you know there's some free 2638 01:55:26,850 --> 01:55:25,120 stuff on there but mostly it's really 2639 01:55:29,310 --> 01:55:26,860 want to incite after you either take 2640 01:55:30,900 --> 01:55:29,320 review for movies or subscribe you know 2641 01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:30,910 I know that's unpopular but we're 2642 01:55:34,590 --> 01:55:32,410 delivering a lightweight cool stuff that 2643 01:55:36,930 --> 01:55:34,600 you're not going to find on youtube not 2644 01:55:38,370 --> 01:55:36,940 yet anyway yeah mom all right well you 2645 01:55:39,540 --> 01:55:38,380 know I just found out that we're at the 2646 01:55:41,540 --> 01:55:39,550 end of our show and I want to thank you 2647 01:55:44,610 --> 01:55:41,550 very much for coming on the show today 2648 01:55:47,450 --> 01:55:44,620 well thank you as a red pleasure and I'm 2649 01:55:49,770 --> 01:55:47,460 that up did I your listeners enjoy and 2650 01:55:52,170 --> 01:55:49,780 appreciate having the opportunity to 2651 01:55:54,750 --> 01:55:52,180 expound on several issues sure are 2652 01:55:56,340 --> 01:55:54,760 alright so thanks everyone for helping 2653 01:55:59,610 --> 01:55:56,350 out with a show today Alejandro Rojas 2654 01:56:01,530 --> 01:55:59,620 with the news and our guests of course 2655 01:56:03,210 --> 01:56:01,540 Ron James and 2656 01:56:05,010 --> 01:56:03,220 Peggy shunning for managing the Facebook 2657 01:56:07,970 --> 01:56:05,020 page remember you can like us on 2658 01:56:10,620 --> 01:56:07,980 Facebook for all the latest UFO news and 2659 01:56:11,940 --> 01:56:10,630 next week we have Peter Davenport on 2660 01:56:14,670 --> 01:56:11,950 I've been trying to get him on for a 2661 01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:14,680 long time and he should be fun so check 2662 01:56:18,630 --> 01:56:16,480 us out live if you want to listen to the 2663 01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:18,640 whole show and support the show to 2664 01:56:22,350 --> 01:56:20,650 listen to the second part and on the 2665 01:56:25,590 --> 01:56:22,360 Dark Matter radio network you can see us